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  • sroz39
    The Man!
    • Apr 2006
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    #31
    Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

    Originally posted by MassNole
    Here is a dumb question, but could someone explain to me how taking steroids effects your ability to hit a baseball?
    Alot of his would-be doubles prior to steroids became homeruns. ESPN.com did a whole thing a couple of months back on how many more homeruns he was able to hit because of steroids, the science behind the increase in mass=swing speed.

    It was quite a good read.

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    • MassNole
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      • Mar 2006
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      #32
      Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

      Originally posted by sroz39
      Alot of his would-be doubles prior to steroids became homeruns. ESPN.com did a whole thing a couple of months back on how many more homeruns he was able to hit because of steroids, the science behind the increase in mass=swing speed.

      It was quite a good read.
      I get that part, the question was more if they do anything to actually help hit the ball, not hit the ball farther.

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      • sroz39
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        • Apr 2006
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        #33
        Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

        Originally posted by MassNole
        I get that part, the question was more if they do anything to actually help hit the ball, not hit the ball farther.
        There were some doctors that said certain steroids help your eyesight, focus etc.etc.

        Seemed a little fishy to me. Bonds was a tremendous hitter before the steroids. He just became a freak-of-nature after the steroids.

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        • ExtremeGamer
          Extra Life 11/3/18
          • Jul 2002
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          #34
          Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

          Originally posted by dl2518
          Bonds has created a lot of enemies over the years so he is under attack and that's his fault. However, he should be a 1st time ballot Hall of Famer period! He had the numbers to be in in the Year 2000 so anyone that says he's not a Hall of Famer is just wrong. Like him or not he is a Hall of Famer! He was the player of the 90's, was a 500/500 man, has won many gold gloves. Hell as a Giants fan i'm sick of all his distractions but you can't tell me he doesn't belong in the Hall!
          But, the steroid era began late 80's, early 90's. Soooo, how do we know Bonds wasn't always using the stuff?

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          • sroz39
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            • Apr 2006
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            #35
            Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

            Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
            But, the steroid era began late 80's, early 90's. Soooo, how do we know Bonds wasn't always using the stuff?
            I don't think we'll know for sure, but based on the transfromation in his body, the book "Game of Shadows" and the timing of his HR total explosion, it seems like somewhere between 1999 and 2000 would be a safe guess as to when he began juicing.

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            • MassNole
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              • Mar 2006
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              #36
              Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

              By looking at him? He wasn't that big until the 2000's.

              One other side issue, MLB had no rules against it, so really it was a level playing field.

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              • ExtremeGamer
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                • Jul 2002
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                #37
                Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

                Originally posted by MassNole
                By looking at him? He wasn't that big until the 2000's.

                One other side issue, MLB had no rules against it, so really it was a level playing field.
                Last I checked, using steroids was still illegal, whether the MLB banned it or not.

                Did MLB have crack cocaine and heroin on their banned substance list then as well? So if He was doing those, being a baseball player, he's exempt from the law?

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                • sroz39
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                  • Apr 2006
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                  #38
                  Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

                  Originally posted by MassNole
                  By looking at him? He wasn't that big until the 2000's.

                  One other side issue, MLB had no rules against it, so really it was a level playing field.
                  It's the way I look at it as well. The Steroid era will allow HOF voters to weed out the marginal would-be Hall of Famers, like Mcgwire. But they will have a difficult time keeping Bonds out, if they're honest with themselves.

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                  • mjb2124
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 13649

                    #39
                    Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

                    Originally posted by GeePee20
                    Didn't Aaron take amphetamines during his HR chase too? I am almost positive I have read that in numerous sources.
                    Hmmm.... I've never heard/read that before.

                    Everything I've searched for is showing the exact opposite. It's possible, but not probable IMO.

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                    • ExtremeGamer
                      Extra Life 11/3/18
                      • Jul 2002
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                      #40
                      Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

                      Originally posted by sroz39
                      It's the way I look at it as well. The Steroid era will allow HOF voters to weed out the marginal would-be Hall of Famers, like Mcgwire. But they will have a difficult time keeping Bonds out, if they're honest with themselves.
                      So, because Bonds put up good numbers before you guys assumed he began cheating, and now that he's been cheating for going on 6 years, it's ok to allow him in the hall of fame?

                      Wow, that tells kids that, yes, if you are decent or good at baseball, go ahead and cheat to continue you're career, you'll still be something.

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                      • sroz39
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                        #41
                        Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

                        Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
                        Last I checked, using steroids was still illegal, whether the MLB banned it or not.

                        Did MLB have crack cocaine and heroin on their banned substance list then as well? So if He was doing those, being a baseball player, he's exempt from the law?
                        But now you're bringing in a whole other side of the argument, which is the criminal side. The HOF has a number of criminals in it already. If we're talking strictly athletic accomplishments, Bonds should be a shoo-in, steroids or not.

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                        • ExtremeGamer
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                          #42
                          Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

                          Originally posted by sroz39
                          But now you're bringing in a whole other side of the argument, which is the criminal side. The HOF has a number of criminals in it already. If we're talking strictly athletic accomplishments, Bonds should be a shoo-in, steroids or not.
                          Being a criminal, and then being a criminal to break records to get yourself in the hall of fame are 2 different things.

                          Say he began roids in 99, which I don't believe, but we'll call it that for argument sake.

                          Do you really think say he retired in 98, that he was a first ballot hall of famer? I don't. A few years in, maybe, but not first ballot, not by any means IMO. Great player, great numbers, but it's a question on first ballot or not.

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                          • MassNole
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                            #43
                            Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

                            Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
                            Last I checked, using steroids was still illegal, whether the MLB banned it or not.

                            Did MLB have crack cocaine and heroin on their banned substance list then as well? So if He was doing those, being a baseball player, he's exempt from the law?
                            Honest question, do you think every athlete who takes pain killers is doing so with a legal prescription? That too is illegal, but I am willing to bet it is really common, god knows it was when I played in college. There really isn't a lot of difference if we want to talk about the legal side of this coin, both would be possession of a controlled substance.

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                            • sroz39
                              The Man!
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                              #44
                              Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

                              Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
                              So, because Bonds put up good numbers before you guys assumed he began cheating, and now that he's been cheating for going on 6 years, it's ok to allow him in the hall of fame?

                              Wow, that tells kids that, yes, if you are decent or good at baseball, go ahead and cheat to continue you're career, you'll still be something.
                              Why should Bonds et al be held accountable for Major League Baseball's tolerance/encouragement when it comes to steroid use? If we're bringing the kids aspect into this, every parent should steer their kids away from baseball, as they've proven they would choose profits over morals/safety in the past. What would stop them from doing something like this in the future? It took the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S intervention for MLB to institute a drug policy.

                              If not for that, who's to say they would still not have rampant steroid use in their game? As much as I despise Bonds, MLB sickens me with the choices theu've made over the last decade or so.

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                              • ExtremeGamer
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                                • Jul 2002
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                                #45
                                Re: Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

                                Originally posted by MassNole
                                Honest question, do you think every athlete who takes pain killers is doing so with a legal prescription? That too is illegal, but I am willing to bet it is really common, god knows it was when I played in college. There really isn't a lot of difference if we want to talk about the legal side of this coin, both would be possession of a controlled substance.
                                True, you have a point there. No, I don't. Just like when Favre admitted his addiciton.

                                I think the thing with Bonds that rubs at least me the wrong way...he always pushes blame off on others, has notoriously been a horrible teammate, and just seems like a very unlikeable person.

                                Adding the rumored steroids and whatever cheating may have occured, and baseball has a mess IMO.

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