Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

[MassNole]

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Aren't the types of steroids used by players available via a prescription? Has anyone ever investigated if team physicians were prescribing these to players?

[SPTO]

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I'm late for this but I heard about it late last night.

If what I say has been covered then I apologize in advance:

Amphetamines have been around for a long time yes but it has been put on the baseball banned substance list so he's breaking the rules right there. I think it further points to the probability that Bonds is a roids abuser and such.

If you've needed proof for Bonds' shady personality then blaming Sweeney for this just proves it. The man won't take accountability for his actions when he's caught so he has to bring down everyone associated with him. I've never seen such a egotistical and "me me me" type of athlete in baseball for a LOONG time.

Last but not least, Bonds may have been a HOF'er before he started up with the roids but his character as a person alone prevents me from wanting him in the HOF. The guy cheated and has been all about himself for so long that giving him the ultimate honour would be a slap in the face of tradition. Barry would laugh at all of us for giving him that honour and it will just prove that cheaters and people of low quality can still be imortalized as long as they put up great numbers.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Why should Bonds et al be held accountable for Major League Baseball's tolerance/encouragement when it comes to steroid use? If we're bringing the kids aspect into this, every parent should steer their kids away from baseball, as they've proven they would choose profits over morals/safety in the past. What would stop them from doing something like this in the future? It took the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S intervention for MLB to institute a drug policy.

If not for that, who's to say they would still not have rampant steroid use in their game? As much as I despise Bonds, MLB sickens me with the choices theu've made over the last decade or so.

Agreed, as Skerik said in another thread, baseball looked the other way on this too long, and now the stars are paying the price. McGwire, Sosa, Palmerio, Bonds, Clemens...the stars of the era, baseball is easily letting be dragged under the bus to save it's own face. It's pretty sickening.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Aren't the types of steroids used by players available via a prescription? Has anyone ever investigated if team physicians were prescribing these to players?

Balco

[ExtremeGamer]

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I'm late for this but I heard about it late last night.

If what I say has been covered then I apologize in advance:

Amphetamines have been around for a long time yes but it has been put on the baseball banned substance list so he's breaking the rules right there. I think it further points to the probability that Bonds is a roids abuser and such.

If you've needed proof for Bonds' shady personality then blaming Sweeney for this just proves it. The man won't take accountability for his actions when he's caught so he has to bring down everyone associated with him. I've never seen such a egotistical and "me me me" type of athlete in baseball for a LOONG time.

Last but not least, Bonds may have been a HOF'er before he started up with the roids but his character as a person alone prevents me from wanting him in the HOF. The guy cheated and has been all about himself for so long that giving him the ultimate honour would be a slap in the face of tradition. Barry would laugh at all of us for giving him that honour and it will just prove that cheaters and people of low quality can still be imortalized as long as they put up great numbers.

[sroz39]

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Being a criminal, and then being a criminal to break records to get yourself in the hall of fame are 2 different things.

Say he began roids in 99, which I don't believe, but we'll call it that for argument sake.

Do you really think say he retired in 98, that he was a first ballot hall of famer? I don't. A few years in, maybe, but not first ballot, not by any means IMO. Great player, great numbers, but it's a question on first ballot or not.

First of all, I'm not seeing how you can draw any conclusions that he was juicing before then. It's more speculatory than those that say (like myself) that he began taking steroids in 1998/99.

I don't think he'll be a first ballot hall of famer, as the voters will spite him and not let him be one. I also don't think that he would've been one if he retired in 1998. However, I do think he would be a first ballot hall of famer if in 1999 he continued to play clean from then until he retired. He was putting up great numbers and needed only to continue to do so for a few more years, IMO, to be first ballot.

[MassNole]

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True, you have a point there. No, I don't. Just like when Favre admitted his addiciton.

I think the thing with Bonds that rubs at least me the wrong way...he always pushes blame off on others, has notoriously been a horrible teammate, and just seems like a very unlikeable person.

Adding the rumored steroids and whatever cheating may have occured, and baseball has a mess IMO.

Bonds' behavior/attitude is problematic, I'll always admit that. But what irks me in this 'investigation' is that if he was the lovable guy Sammy Sosa was with the Cubs, the media doesn't pursue this witch hunt. I always saw Bonds as the type of guy who just wanted to do his job and go home, much like your average American. Sure, his job is much more public and pays much better, but at the end of the day I really believe this is what he really wanted. Unfortunately now that is coming back to bite him as he is being made the witch of the hunt by the media, the same media who defend their colleagues for breaking federal laws to break the story, gotta love hypocrites.

[MassNole]

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Balco

I meant on a larger basis than the Bay Area teams, like if team doctors in Boston or New York were writing scripts.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Bonds' behavior/attitude is problematic, I'll always admit that. But what irks me in this 'investigation' is that if he was the lovable guy Sammy Sosa was with the Cubs, the media doesn't pursue this witch hunt. I always saw Bonds as the type of guy who just wanted to do his job and go home, much like your average American. Sure, his job is much more public and pays much better, but at the end of the day I really believe this is what he really wanted. Unfortunately now that is coming back to bite him as he is being made the witch of the hunt by the media, the same media who defend their colleagues for breaking federal laws to break the story, gotta love hypocrites.

Can't really argue that...LOL

[ExtremeGamer]

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I meant on a larger basis than the Bay Area teams, like if team doctors in Boston or New York were writing scripts.

But, and I could be wrong, I thought Balco was the distributor of most of the roids during the generation. That's where Giambi got his etc.

On another note. Giambi admitted using roids, and had a rough stretch but managed to come back and the roids talk is done.

Let's say Bonds admitted using roids 3 years ago like Giambi, do you feel he could have made the same "comeback" and this would all be dead by now? Because, even with Giambi having back to back good years, you never hear talk of roids anymore.

[sroz39]

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I'm late for this but I heard about it late last night.

If what I say has been covered then I apologize in advance:

Amphetamines have been around for a long time yes but it has been put on the baseball banned substance list so he's breaking the rules right there. I think it further points to the probability that Bonds is a roids abuser and such.

If you've needed proof for Bonds' shady personality then blaming Sweeney for this just proves it. The man won't take accountability for his actions when he's caught so he has to bring down everyone associated with him. I've never seen such a egotistical and "me me me" type of athlete in baseball for a LOONG time.

Last but not least, Bonds may have been a HOF'er before he started up with the roids but his character as a person alone prevents me from wanting him in the HOF. The guy cheated and has been all about himself for so long that giving him the ultimate honour would be a slap in the face of tradition. Barry would laugh at all of us for giving him that honour and it will just prove that cheaters and people of low quality can still be imortalized as long as they put up great numbers.

If we're going to start using morals as a barometer of qualification for the HOF, then you might as well begin by throwing out half of the players in the HOF already.

The HOF has always been about numbers. The type of media scrutiny that these players are under now means we hear about all their poor choices. You think those poor choices started with players like Bonds, Plameiro, Sosa etc.

There are criminals, murderers, cheats, rapists, gamblers etc etc. that are enshrined in the HOF. The lack of media coverage gave those players a free pass because they had the numbers. I'm not going to hold today's athlete up against some new, conveniant barometer that is going to make me feel all warm and fuzzy about the people getting into the HOF. Fact of the matter is, professional athletes are some of the biggest a**holes in the world. No need for me or anyone else to pretend like this is a recent trend.

[SPTO]

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The reporters didn't break any laws per se. It's all because of recent (and IMO unconstitutional) laws restricting investigative journalism that made what they did "illegal". Under the laws now Woodward and Bernstein would be in jail for at least 10 years after the Watergate story.

But that's neither here nor there.....

As for your contention that Bonds just wants to do his job and go home. That would work if he didn't have such a pissant attitude towards teamates and treating reporters like dirt. Even some guys who don't particular care about the media at least talk to them once in a great while. Bonds OTOH will only talk to the media if he knows it'll be a positive story or when he has to literally defend himself.

This isn't a witch hunt IMO the man brought it all upon himself. Idiotic behaviour in the past is what has brought this on. There's a reason why he's only loved in San Fran and hated virtually everywhere else. He's reaping what he sowed for so long.

[MassNole]

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But, and I could be wrong, I thought Balco was the distributor of most of the roids during the generation. That's where Giambi got his etc.

On another note. Giambi admitted using roids, and had a rough stretch but managed to come back and the roids talk is done.

Let's say Bonds admitted using roids 3 years ago like Giambi, do you feel he could have made the same "comeback" and this would all be dead by now? Because, even with Giambi having back to back good years, you never hear talk of roids anymore.

No way, the media wouldn't have let it go with Bonds and they would've done their best to run him out of the sport.

Just like with Pete Rose, how often did the media say he'd be forgiven if he just admitted to betting on baseball? Well he did and how did that turn out? Now consider people loved Rose before the betting scandal, no way it turns out any differently for Bonds.

[MassNole]

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The reporters didn't break any laws per se. It's all because of recent (and IMO unconstitutional) laws restricting investigative journalism that made what they did "illegal". Under the laws now Woodward and Bernstein would be in jail for at least 10 years after the Watergate story.

They revealed the identity and nature of the testimony of someone testifying in front of a Federal Grand Jury. It seems trivial because it is baseball, but that is a slippery slope our justice system cannot dare go near and IMO is much, much more heinous than Bonds juicing.

[ExtremeGamer]

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No way, the media wouldn't have let it go with Bonds and they would've done their best to run him out of the sport.

Just like with Pete Rose, how often did the media say he'd be forgiven if he just admitted to betting on baseball? Well he did and how did that turn out? Now consider people loved Rose before the betting scandal, no way it turns out any differently for Bonds.

True on the Rose part, but it took him 20 years to admit it. Say the day all this starts to break, Bonds admits it. Or he admitted it in Congress, whatever.

While I agree the writers would have wanted him dead and out of the sport, I know myself personally would have viewed him differently. I don't know if it's because he stood up for his faults, I don't know, can't put a finger on it.

But I do think you're right.