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  • keRplunK
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 4080

    #76
    Re: Jose Canseco know things...

    Originally posted by richierich
    Those years were also some of the best years Jeff Kent had offensively had batting behind Bonds. So I guess he took steroids too. Even Rich Aurilia never hit as many homers as he had the same year Bonds hit 73. So I guess all of the Giants were taking steroids around the same time. There are too many factors as to why Bonds got hot.
    Yup. That's a solid argument. I know it's hard for some people to just accept it, but he took steroids. Okay.

    Barry Bonds could've been one of the greatest players to ever play the game without steriods, and then he took them. That much talent + steriods = the greatest statistical year in baseball history.

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    • Heelfan71
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jul 2002
      • 19940

      #77
      Re: Jose Canseco know things...

      Originally posted by Blzer
      On that same token, Canseco's name is the only reason he is banking from his books. If I were to write this, I probably wouldn't profit. That's how our society works, and those are the rules that you and everybody else like to follow.

      you are right, you wouldn't profit because you are not an ex MLB player. Canseco's name isn't selling his books, the stuff he is writing about is. It's selling because he knows a lot about steroids in the MLB because he is one of the few who actually admitted to taking them.
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      • devilsjaw
        MVP
        • Mar 2003
        • 3572

        #78
        Re: Jose Canseco know things...

        Originally posted by Scottd
        I am sure Bonds took steroids, but like I said I wouldn't be shocked if others have too.
        Understatement of the year!!

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        • ehh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 28962

          #79
          Re: Jose Canseco know things...

          Originally posted by Blzer
          And although none of these pitches are 97 MPH, just remember that the pitcher supplies the power (not a baseball smarts thing, but a physics smarts thing); meaning Papelbon helped Rodriguez's ball get out, and these pitchers aren't helping Bonds. Oh, it is very possible to use your legs on an outside pitch. Alex used "steroid-arms".
          Wait, so the pitcher supplies power to A-Rod's homers but not to Bonds'? Okay. One guy threw a 94 MPH fastball to Bonds in one of the vids.

          You're still comparing apples to oranges, IMO. Look at A-Rod's walk-off homer against Baltimore on an outside pitch. You're saying that was an all-arms swing?

          And besides, let's not forget the fact that A-Rod holds his follow-through of his swing when he gets a hold of a ball and often takes a step or two while still doing holding it. He' being criticized for having poor form on his swing, yet he photo you posted could easily be with him already stepping out of the box while holding his follow through.

          Anyway, it's a moot point. The man will hit 500 homers while he's 32 years old. I don't think his swing can be classified as bad! Plus, I don't care how many illegal drugs a player takes, you still need to have a hell of an eye and a hell of a swing to hit that many homers.
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          • remix
            MVP
            • Aug 2004
            • 2718

            #80
            Re: Jose Canseco know things...

            I think we can all agree that ARod and Bonds are/were amazing talents before any steroid allegations. It's clear that Bonds took some sort of substance, knowingly or not. Of course there are hundreds of others that probably have done the same, there was a steroid era afterall. ARod happened to play in the steroid era as well and regardless of whether he or anyone else used the substance, it'll always be in question as far as I'm concerned.

            The thing with Bonds is he averaged 40HR's the previous 5 years before that monster 73 year. Of course he was getting older and was "supposed" to decline, but in this day I don't really find age relevant. Quite frankly, steroids hurt Bonds more than it actually helped him. Heh, hindsight is 20-20 afterall.
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            • Heelfan71
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jul 2002
              • 19940

              #81
              Re: Jose Canseco know things...

              so you call A-Rod "steroid arms" but deny Bonds used them. Arod will likely catch bonds in HR's before it is all said an done. I hope so, nothing like having a cheater with the record.
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              • Scottdau
                Banned
                • Feb 2003
                • 32580

                #82
                Re: Jose Canseco know things...

                Originally posted by Heelfan71
                so you call A-Rod "steroid arms" but deny Bonds used them. Arod will likely catch bonds in HR's before it is all said an done. I hope so, nothing like having a cheater with the record.
                Yeah, but by the time he does, it will come out that he took them too!

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                • chippered
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 1528

                  #83
                  Re: Jose Canseco know things...

                  Originally posted by Scottd
                  Yeah, but by the time he does, it will come out that he took them too!
                  Good Lord...
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                  • The Chef
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                    • Sep 2003
                    • 13684

                    #84
                    Re: Jose Canseco know things...

                    Originally posted by chippered
                    Good Lord...
                    Thats what happens when someone spends as much time thinking of new and creative ways to stick up for Bonds. I will never understand the constant excuses for Bonds, he took steroids, albeit he said he didnt know he was taking them, which I find laughable in the first place. If anyone says anything about Bonds then people try and point out other players, ie. A-Rod, so as to deflect the attention away from their beloved Bonds and of course they leave out the fact that Bonds took them unknowingly and A-Rod has never been proven to have taken them knowingly or not.

                    The thing about his head growing never had anything to do with steroids, it had to do with HGH, and from what Ive heard, HGH can cause the head to swell and grow and considering there is no testing for HGH in baseball it wouldnt surprise me if Bonds was doing HGH and for a long time.

                    My opinion will of course be overshadowed by the fact that I hate the Giants, but my distaste for Bonds goes so much further then my hate for the Gaints, the man literally cheated the game and the fans that watched him, lucky for him the fans in SF are willing to look past it so Barry has found the one and only location in the country that will support him no matter what he does. Bonds will break the record obviously, hopefully someone else comes along and breaks it after that and we can all forget about Bonds and move on.

                    EDIT- On a side note, if I was going to use a MLB players swing to teach hitting to a kid I would use Griffey Jr's swing before Bonds', but thats just me I guess.
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                    • oakfan162
                      Get Ducked Up!
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 4724

                      #85
                      Re: Jose Canseco know things...

                      Originally posted by Pimping219
                      Thats what happens when someone spends as much time thinking of new and creative ways to stick up for Bonds. I will never understand the constant excuses for Bonds, he took steroids, albeit he said he didnt know he was taking them, which I find laughable in the first place. If anyone says anything about Bonds then people try and point out other players, ie. A-Rod, so as to deflect the attention away from their beloved Bonds and of course they leave out the fact that Bonds took them unknowingly and A-Rod has never been proven to have taken them knowingly or not.

                      The thing about his head growing never had anything to do with steroids, it had to do with HGH, and from what Ive heard, HGH can cause the head to swell and grow and considering there is no testing for HGH in baseball it wouldnt surprise me if Bonds was doing HGH and for a long time.

                      My opinion will of course be overshadowed by the fact that I hate the Giants, but my distaste for Bonds goes so much further then my hate for the Gaints, the man literally cheated the game and the fans that watched him, lucky for him the fans in SF are willing to look past it so Barry has found the one and only location in the country that will support him no matter what he does. Bonds will break the record obviously, hopefully someone else comes along and breaks it after that and we can all forget about Bonds and move on.
                      I don't hate the Giants but I don't love them either, exactly the way I feel about the Giants. That said, listening to talk radio in Northern California, it is amazing the different ways people come up with to defend Bonds. Sometimes they aren't even creative. . On a side note, today on Jim Rome's radio show, John Miller came on and defended Bonds pretty blindly.
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                      • Scottdau
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 32580

                        #86
                        Re: Jose Canseco know things...

                        Originally posted by Pimping219
                        Thats what happens when someone spends as much time thinking of new and creative ways to stick up for Bonds. I will never understand the constant excuses for Bonds, he took steroids, albeit he said he didnt know he was taking them, which I find laughable in the first place. If anyone says anything about Bonds then people try and point out other players, ie. A-Rod, so as to deflect the attention away from their beloved Bonds and of course they leave out the fact that Bonds took them unknowingly and A-Rod has never been proven to have taken them knowingly or not.

                        The thing about his head growing never had anything to do with steroids, it had to do with HGH, and from what Ive heard, HGH can cause the head to swell and grow and considering there is no testing for HGH in baseball it wouldnt surprise me if Bonds was doing HGH and for a long time.

                        My opinion will of course be overshadowed by the fact that I hate the Giants, but my distaste for Bonds goes so much further then my hate for the Gaints, the man literally cheated the game and the fans that watched him, lucky for him the fans in SF are willing to look past it so Barry has found the one and only location in the country that will support him no matter what he does. Bonds will break the record obviously, hopefully someone else comes along and breaks it after that and we can all forget about Bonds and move on.

                        EDIT- On a side note, if I was going to use a MLB players swing to teach hitting to a kid I would use Griffey Jr's swing before Bonds', but thats just me I guess.

                        I know Bonds took steriods, but I am sure A Rod took something too, it is just how it is. If I am wrong oh well, if I am right oh well! lol How many HIgh school kids are benching 315, give me a break, my friend at that age did, but he took roids! lol

                        Ha ha, yeah I really have that much time on my hands. lol Give me a break, when people disagree on here they always got to attack the person, can't we got agree to disagree. Why attack, you don't know me or how much time I have to think of ways to defend Bonds. lol Oh well have fun!
                        Last edited by Scottdau; 07-31-2007, 06:11 PM.

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                        • The GIGGAS
                          Timbers - Jags - Hokies
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 28474

                          #87
                          Re: Jose Canseco know things...

                          Originally posted by Scottd
                          I know Bonds took steriods, but I am sure A Rod took something too, it is just how it is. If I am wrong oh well, if I am right oh well! lol How many HIgh school kids are benching 315, give me a break, my friend at that age did, but he took roids! lol

                          Ha ha, yeah I really have that much time on my hands. lol Give me a break, when people disagree on here they always got to attack the person, can't we got agree to disagree. Why attack, you don't know me or how much time I have to think of ways to defend Bonds. lol Oh well have fun!
                          Definitely not seeing the attack, Scott...
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                          • Scottdau
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 32580

                            #88
                            Re: Jose Canseco know things...

                            Originally posted by The GIGGAS
                            Definitely not seeing the attack, Scott...

                            I had a feeling you wouldn't. When you call some one delusional and some one "thinking of creative ways" (like I have nothing better to do)! lol Those are attacks, but I could less. It is all good!

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                            • The GIGGAS
                              Timbers - Jags - Hokies
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 28474

                              #89
                              Re: Jose Canseco know things...

                              Originally posted by Scottd
                              I had a feeling you wouldn't. When you call some one delusional and some one "thinking of creative ways" (like I have nothing better to do)! lol Those are attacks, but I could less. It is all good!
                              I still don't see it. No one called anyone delusional and creative ways to defend isn't an insult.
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                              • Scottdau
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 32580

                                #90
                                Re: Jose Canseco know things...

                                Originally posted by The GIGGAS
                                I still don't see it. No one called anyone delusional and creative ways to defend isn't an insult.


                                The delusional one was your statement to me! lol The creative remark was a put down, oh well. Hopefully Jose stop causing all these problems.

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