Mitchell's report to reveal many names

[TheMatrix31]

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Eh, it comes from the fact that most of these players on the lists so far have been absolute garbage. So either it's for healing purposes, or HGH is simply overrated.

[ZB9]

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So either it's for healing purposes, or HGH is simply overrated.

well it wont automatically allow you to hit a 92 mph fastball. It wont make someone a good ballplayer if they werent already.

[Porschebenz2001]

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Way to man up Andy. Clemens is screwed though. No one is going to believe him now.

[Stu]

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Way to man up Andy. Clemens is screwed though. No one is going to believe him now.

In fairness to Clemens, he has a lot more riding on this. If he came out and admitted to HGH use it could really hurt his HOF chances since all the "innocent until proven guilty" voters might have their excuse to not vote for him.

[Stu]

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btw, anyone notice that there are no current Red Sox on this list? There are plenty of players that "jilted" the Sox, but no Boston players are on the list

perhaps that is because Mitchell is a member of the Boston Red Sox FO? conflict of interest anyone? I dont understand how they could appoint a current leader of a major league team to head this "investigation"

Maybe there weren't any current Sox on the list because no current Sox used from those suppliers? Remember, this was a small sampling. I might be mistaken, but I think the Mitchell report used 3 different avenues to get their info (2 trainers and info from the BALCO investigation).

This list was just the tip of the iceberg. It shows that steroid usage is rampant in baseball (which most of us already knew). The fact that many teams didn't have a current player listed just goes to show that those teams players haven't been connected to the sources used in the Mitchell report.

I think mjb's theory is a lot more likely. It's easy to assume Mitchell is covering up for the Sox but I seriously doubt he'd jeopardize the integrity of the investigation and his reputation to do it.

[TheMatrix31]

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Is Andy Pettitte not considered for the Hall of Fame? I mean, sure his stats aren't going to be on par with Maddux, Clemens, Pedro, etc...but he's been arguably one of the best postseason pitchers in history. That has to count for something, doesn't it?

[Stu]

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Is Andy Pettitte not considered for the Hall of Fame? I mean, sure his stats aren't going to be on par with Maddux, Clemens, Pedro, etc...but he's been arguably one of the best postseason pitchers in history. That has to count for something, doesn't it?

201 wins with a career 3.83 ERA. I don't think he's even close. Plus he has a career 3.96 ERA in the postseason, which is worse than his career regular season ERA. Hardly qualifies him as one of the best ever.

[TheMatrix31]

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Then maybe I'm clouded, because I remember him starting a ton of bigtime playoff spots that the Yankees would end up winning.

Oh well.

[ZB9]

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http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10531317

NEW YORK -- Andy Pettitte used human growth hormone to recover from an elbow injury in 2002, the New York Yankees pitcher admitted two days after he was cited in the Mitchell Report.

Pettitte said he tried HGH on two occasions, stressing he did it to heal faster and not enhance his performance. He emphasized he never used steroids.

"If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize," Pettitte said Saturday in a statement released by his agent. "I accept responsibility for those two days."

On Thursday, Pettitte was among 85 players named by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell's investigation into steroids and performance-enhancing drugs. Pettitte had not commented publicly on the allegations.

Pettitte asked the trainer he shared with Roger Clemens, Brian McNamee, to help him with HGH while on the disabled list early in the season, the report said. McNamee recalled injecting Pettitte two to four times, Mitchell said.

"In 2002 I was injured. I had heard that human growth hormone could promote faster healing for my elbow," Pettitte said in the statement released to the Associated Press by agent Randy Hendricks.

"I felt an obligation to get back to my team as soon as possible. For this reason, and only this reason, for two days I tried human growth hormone. Though it was not against baseball rules, I was not comfortable with what I was doing, so I stopped.

"This is it -- two days out of my life; two days out of my entire career, when I was injured and on the disabled list," he said. "I wasn't looking for an edge. I was looking to heal."

Pettitte was not linked to steroids in the report, and said he never had never used them.

"I have the utmost respect for baseball and have always tried to live my life in a way that would be honorable," he said. "If I have let down people that care about me, I am sorry, but I hope that you will listen to me carefully and understand that two days of perhaps bad judgment should not ruin a lifetime of hard work and dedication.

"I have tried to do things the right way my entire life, and, again, ask that you put those two days in the proper context. People that know me will know that what I say is true," he said.

The Yankees backed Pettitte.

"Late this afternoon, Andy Pettitte advised us that he would be making a public statement. We support his coming forward," the team said in a statement.

The 35-year-old lefty is 201-113 lifetime. He started his major league career in 1995 and won four World Series championships with the Yankees. He pitched for his hometown Houston Astros from 2004-06 and helped them reach their first World Series.

Pettitte returned to the Yankees last season and went 15-9. This month, he put off retirement and agreed to a $16 million, one-year contract to play for the Yankees next season.

Mitchell devoted 1½ pages to McNamee's testimony about Pettitte. Clemens was mentioned on nearly nine pages, with McNamee saying he injected the star pitcher.

Clemens was accused of using steroids and HGH and, through his lawyer, vehemently denied the accusations.

When Clemens joined the Yankees in 1999, he and Pettitte became fast friends and training partners. McNamee was part of their regimen - Clemens had worked with him in Toronto before being traded to New York.

According to the Mitchell Report, Pettitte asked McNamee about using HGH after the 2001 season, and the trainer said he discouraged the pitcher from trying it.

[Chaos81]

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Then maybe I'm clouded, because I remember him starting a ton of bigtime playoff spots that the Yankees would end up winning.

I thought he was a pretty good playoff pitcher as well, so don't feel too bad.

[snepp]

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Then maybe I'm clouded, because I remember him starting a ton of bigtime playoff spots that the Yankees would end up winning.

Oh well.

I thought he was a pretty good playoff pitcher as well, so don't feel too bad.

It's a psychological condition brought on by too much exposure to E!SPN.

[Stu]

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It's a psychological condition brought on by too much exposure to E!SPN.

They're right, he has been a "pretty good" postseason pitcher. Just hasnt been nearly good enough to put him over the hump as a HOFer like for example, a Curt Schilling has.

[snepp]

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Yes he has been a pretty good playoff pitcher, nearly identical to his pretty good track record in the regular season. Makes him a pretty good pitcher in my book. I was just taking a shot at the perception the media has created for many players in that general area of the country.

[jonesha2000]

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Has Clemens allegedly lied under oath to a federal grand jury about knowingly using steroids?

People tend to leave that little tidbit out, don't they?

We are not discussing the federal grand jury. We are discussing performance enhancers used in baseball. My point is everyone has been riding Barry extremely hard for the past couple years and he doesn't appear to be the only one that may have been involved in this type of activity. The grand jury perjury charges is going to be the next thing people use to make sure Barry seems worse than all the others. It's ridiculous to me....And no I am not a Barry fan but I just got tired of people riding him about the 'roids and now that they have several other people to talk about, let's see what happens with those players.

[NYJets]

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In fairness to Clemens,

I never thought I'd hear that phrase from a Red Sox fan in my lifetime.