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  • demencia_total
    No Way
    • Dec 2006
    • 704

    #886
    Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

    I like to call this whole investigation the "Creampuff Files", because basically, this was just a PR move by MLB and Selig to try and show the public and the government that they actually did something about the steroid problem by sugar coating it and placing very suspect and vague blame. Selig went out and got a senator buddy who happens to be a member of the board of directors of a prominent team to sugar coat a supposed in depth report of what transpired during the steroid era, but in reality, what they did is just feed the public a few names out there so that people believe that this wasn't as huge a problem as it really was.

    They threw a few big names out there that were already suspected to please everyone and a bunch of scrubs that no one will look into. Then Mitchell goes as far as to say that he doesn't recommend punishment for past actions, but that he urges Selig to do so if the actions of certain players were so grave that it tarnished the integrity of the sport. When asked by a reporter that if he meant that referring to Barry Bonds, he said it wasn't targeted at one specific player. When asked to put a "number" on the level of gravity of a player's offenses, he refused to give examples. So wait a minute, Selig is supposed to hand pick certain players that he considered to be more guilty than others and punish them by HIS judgment, but the others who he doesn't consider "grave" enough and ones that weren't mentioned get a free pass? Nice.

    The report also dodged putting any responsibility directly on Selig for all this happening on his watch, but it didn't hesitate to criticize the Player's Association repeatedly. It is quite ironic that almost none of the media outlets are mentioning the fact that this directly involves Mr. Selig and might implicate him criminally because: a) There were illegal substances being trafficked IN the premises of MLB's clubs and by officials that worked for them, and b) It IS a known fact that baseball, the Player's Association and Mr. Selig looked the other way when confronted with the problem of drug testing because of baseball's economic problems in the 90's. So isn't the head of a corporation and/or entity responsible for corruption and or illegal matters that happened while they were in charge, SPECIALLY if said entity stood to profit from it? Which it clearly did because these drugs that were used directly influenced the breaking of records and the rise in attendance and marketability. Some of the drugs weren't marked as illegal, but as I understand, if a said drug and or substance is not approved by the appropriate entities that regulate them, they are considered illegal to be distributed on any level. Which brings me to my next point...

    Mitchell was asked if the federal government would pursue charges against players who were brought in the report, which he replied that they usually prosecute those who are distributors and not the users themselves. But as pointed out by ESPN's legal analyst Roger Cossack, if players themselves incurred in actions of sharing steroids with teammates, then they are liable for charges of intention to distribute. Of course, this is all INCREDIBLY hard to prove, but the hilarity of this all is that we're expected to believe that this is a credible in depth report when Mitchell had absolutely NO power to make people talk beyond the jurisdiction of MLB and Bud Selig, as it was the case with Jason Giambi being threatened to be suspended if he didn't cooperate. But they had no power to subpoena or indict players, team officials, and or anyone involved in this. So in reality, this is all just a very speculative report based on the testimony of certain people with very low credibility. And apparently, the federal government has no interest in pursuing such routes, according to Mitchell's experience working for the Department of Justice.

    But does that mean that any of it didn't happen or wasn't true? Of course not, most of us aren't THAT naive. But it just goes to show you that this was just an attempt to make believe that they are trying to uncover the incredible mess that was (and is still in some cases) the steroids era, and just imply on it instead of pursue the truth and clean up the sport , which is what Mr. Selig would like everyone to believe. Obviously, that's just a pipe dream, and in the Land of Make Believe, the "Creampuff Files" stand as serious documents. In the real world, some of us know better than that. Nice try.
    Last edited by demencia_total; 12-14-2007, 05:38 AM.

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    • Kashanova
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2003
      • 12695

      #887
      Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

      Originally posted by BigDofBA
      I have held a corked bat and it was noticable that it was lighter. Of course I'm a nobody. Anyway, my point was that I think Sosa knew he was using a corked bat. I find it laughable that you goto the plate and don't know what type of bat you are using.

      I think Sosa was dirty and I think he was a cheat. Does anyone disagree with that?

      He got caught using a corked bat. He then said he would take a drug test anywhere anytime only to get called on it and run away.

      Look how drastically his body has changed since he came into the league. To me it appears obvious.

      McGwire was one of my favorite players but I admit that he was on gear even though I don't have any "positive tests".
      i disagee with you, he had a cork bat, ok but mlb checked all his bats at the HOF and they were all clean, his body wasnt as drastic as some of the other guys and why cant it be natural that for over a period of time he got bigger,its not like he came one summer and was huge it took time, also unlike the other guys theres stuff on the other users, mcgrirwe has stuff on the ny daily news, canseco admitted it, sheff has stuff on him and so does giambi but on sosa no one has anything

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      • Brandon13
        All Star
        • Oct 2005
        • 8915

        #888
        Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

        I believe Sosa juiced but I don't really have anything to base that statement on other than his incredible numbers. Based on the real evidence they have against him, which is non existent, I don't see how you keep him out of the HOF.

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        • demencia_total
          No Way
          • Dec 2006
          • 704

          #889
          Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

          That's the problem with this whole supposed investigation. Certain players who you would assume that they juiced by looking at their muscle mass growth, their numbers spiking to the moon and then back down to the ground, and other factors. But on most of them, there's no tangible proof that they did. So the ones that someone accused get to be barred from the Hall, but the ones that weren't predominantly mentioned get in? That doesn't make sense to me, because in my opinion, it's safe to assume that the percentage of players who juiced is FAR bigger than what MLB would want everyone to believe. It is not a minority, but this will always be an "opinion" since there's probably never going to be a true investigation that really digs deep into it.

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          • Pared
            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
            • Feb 2003
            • 39337

            #890
            Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

            The problem is there is no concrete, paper-type proof on some of these guys. They pay cash and their boy won't sell them out... no way to prove anything without drug testing at the time.
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            • ehh
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2003
              • 28962

              #891
              Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

              If Mitchell came up with this many players w. essentially zero help from players past and present, I don't want to know what the real numbers are like. Perhaps those players who were saying 60-80% of the players are using is correct.
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              • SportsTop
                The Few. The Proud.
                • Jul 2003
                • 6716

                #892
                Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

                David Justice is on Cowherd's show right now ripping into the Yankees trainer about how he was implicated.
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                • Knight165
                  *ll St*r
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 24964

                  #893
                  Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

                  Oh yeah....they are all gonna play the "it wasn't me" game.....
                  Like when you're mom found your porn collection...." It's Johnnies"...or " I'm just holdin' it for a friend!"
                  Yeah, okay....

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                  • CMH
                    Making you famous
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 26203

                    #894
                    Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

                    You know, lost in all this, despite how much it angers Jose Canseco is the fact that Alex Rodriguez' name did not come up once.

                    The only guy that has ever mentioned him is Jose. Seems to me that someone is very jealous.
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                    • SportsTop
                      The Few. The Proud.
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 6716

                      #895
                      Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

                      Originally posted by YankeePride_YP
                      You know, lost in all this, despite how much it angers Jose Canseco is the fact that Alex Rodriguez' name did not come up once.

                      The only guy that has ever mentioned him is Jose. Seems to me that someone is very jealous.
                      There's more names to come from other investigations. This was BALCO, and two New York area clubbies (circa 2000).

                      Don't get too confident that ARod is totally clean just yet. I would be guarded against any player being completely clean.
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                      • Knight165
                        *ll St*r
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 24964

                        #896
                        Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

                        Originally posted by Squint
                        There's more names to come from other investigations. This was BALCO, and two New York area clubbies (circa 2000).

                        Don't get too confident that ARod is totally clean just yet. I would be guarded against any player being completely clean.
                        Hey....anything can happen, but for some reason I don't think A-Rod uses....just me....I get the same feeling about Griffey. Maybe I'm just being naive, I don't know....

                        I always suspected Clemens. I just don't get why players who had such obvious, great talent like he and Bonds needed to juice? I know people are going to say,"so they can keep up" with the guys who did...but for them....I don't think it was the case. Makes it all the worse for those guys, IMO, who were already on the road to the HOF.

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                        • SPTO
                          binging
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 68046

                          #897
                          Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

                          BTW I was watching ESPN's coverage of Don Fehr's press conference yesterday and it seems that the vibe being sent across is that the relative peace between the Union and the Owners may be dead now because of this.

                          I got to laugh at Fehr talking aobut honoring current agreements and such because that's just fancy talk for "we don't want stringent drug testing. We're against any real drug testing!" It was VERY transparent. The Union could end up looking very bad if others like me and you see their tactic for what it is.
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                          • CMH
                            Making you famous
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 26203

                            #898
                            Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

                            Originally posted by Squint
                            There's more names to come from other investigations. This was BALCO, and two New York area clubbies (circa 2000).

                            Don't get too confident that ARod is totally clean just yet. I would be guarded against any player being completely clean.
                            I'm not holding parties for Alex Rodriguez.

                            All I'm saying is that there's only one person that keeps talking about Alex using steroids and it's Jose Canseco.

                            I think it screams jealousy because Alex survived in the league and Canseco couldn't.
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                            • Stu
                              All Star
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 7924

                              #899
                              Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

                              Originally posted by YankeePride_YP
                              I'm not holding parties for Alex Rodriguez.

                              All I'm saying is that there's only one person that keeps talking about Alex using steroids and it's Jose Canseco.

                              I think it screams jealousy because Alex survived in the league and Canseco couldn't.
                              I dunno, Jose was right about a lot of things. I don't think Alex was a user but certainly wouldn't be surprised if he was.
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                              • Skerik
                                Living in this tube
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 5215

                                #900
                                Re: Mitchell's report to reveal many names

                                Originally posted by camulos
                                I dunno, Jose was right about a lot of things. I don't think Alex was a user but certainly wouldn't be surprised if he was.
                                Like I've said before, A-Rod is the one guy MLB will fall on its sword right now to protect. I think he could walk into Selig's office with a syringe hanging out of his left buttcheek and not be implicated in any steroid investigations because MLB needs him to break the record.
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