Mitchell's report to reveal many names

[ComfortablyLomb]

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That's a loaded question. I'm not the one screaming from the mountain tops about what my beliefs are and are not.

It's all based on Schilling's convictions. He is vocal about steroids at all the right times and clams up and all the wrong times. I wonder if he actually believes anything that comes out of his own mouth.

I love how you gloss over the fact you said Schilling was under oath yet he was never sworn in. I guess your logic is to keep throwing darts and you'll eventually hit something.

Hey, I don't know what happened there but I wouldn't be shocked if his lawyer told him to keep his mouth shut. Or the MLBPA either. It's not like Congress had any business holding those hearings in the first place so why should anyone readily pony up information in them if they don't want to right then and there?

[SPTO]

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He can do whatever he wants. The fact that Pettite admitted it is something Clemens needs to reconcile but cant. No one is going to believe Clemens is innocent while Pettite is guilty.

Gotta say though, this Mitchell report is one of the most shoddy, irresponsible pieces of work ever that relates to sports.

Well I agree, Clemens is pretty much SOL when it comes to this and there's no way he can convince me that he's innocent.

On to your second point though, how can you say this about the report? Did you even read it? It's actually fairly well documented and Mitchell doesn't just name names he actually has a paper trail to most of the guys in the report. I will agree that only using 2 or 3 sources isn't exactly the greatest thing in the world but his hands were tied.

There's only so much you can do when you don't have subpoena power or can grant immunity to players so they can speak freely.

[SportsTop]

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It's not like Congress had any business holding those hearings in the first place so why should anyone readily pony up information in them if they don't want to right then and there?

How do you figure?

[yvesdereuter]

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How do you figure?

It was grandstanding. The justification they gave was that they were looking out for the youth of america but a year before they let the catholic church clean up their own mess and the catholic church is more directly responsible for what happened to the youth under their charge than MLB is for what high school kids do by choice.

[SPTO]

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It was grandstanding. The justification they gave was that they were looking out for the youth of america but a year before they let the catholic church clean up their own mess and the catholic church is more directly responsible for what happened to the youth under their charge than MLB is for what high school kids do by choice.

You're opening up a political can of worms but i'll just say there's a major difference. The church is a spiritual organization. You're never going to see a political body trying to police the church because of the whole "separation of Church and State" issue in the US.

MLB is secular and is a business which in many ways is very much under the jurisdiction of congress. There have been many instances in the past where political institutions have reached in and gotten into the affairs of commerce.

[yvesdereuter]

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Well I agree, Clemens is pretty much SOL when it comes to this and there's no way he can convince me that he's innocent.

On to your second point though, how can you say this about the report? Did you even read it? It's actually fairly well documented and Mitchell doesn't just name names he actually has a paper trail to most of the guys in the report. I will agree that only using 2 or 3 sources isn't exactly the greatest thing in the world but his hands were tied.

There's only so much you can do when you don't have subpoena power or can grant immunity to players so they can speak freely.

A lot of its hearsay. If a guys name gets mentioned then he goes in the report (save one exception who I cant recall). And the only way to exonerate yourself is through rebuttal which would also go in the report...there would be no omission.

[SPTO]

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A lot of its hearsay. If a guys name gets mentioned then he goes in the report (save one exception who I cant recall). And the only way to exonerate yourself is through rebuttal which would also go in the report...there would be no omission.

You do realize that the two main sources in that report had to speak to the Feds and were handed over to Mitchell afterwards right? I don't think the Feds would hand over guys who would be lying through their teeth.

[yvesdereuter]

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You're opening up a political can of worms but i'll just say there's a major difference. The church is a spiritual organization. You're never going to see a political body trying to police the church because of the whole "separation of Church and State" issue in the US.

MLB is secular and is a business which in many ways is very much under the jurisdiction of congress. There have been many instances in the past where political institutions have reached in and gotten into the affairs of commerce.

Whatever the case, what happened didso because it was the church and if they were truly interested in looking out for the wellbeing of the youth, they would have had ample justification to do so...instead they cherrypicked and picked on baseball because it was safer to do so. It seems a little disingenuous to say you do something for children but only do it when its safe politically. Which brings us back to the fact that it was political grandstanding.

[yvesdereuter]

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You do realize that the two main sources in that report had to speak to the Feds and were handed over to Mitchell afterwards right? I don't think the Feds would hand over guys who would be lying through their teeth.

Why were they on the hook to talk to the feds?

[SPTO]

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Why were they on the hook to talk to the feds?

I believe Radomski was caught up in one investigation and the other source was part of the whole BALCO situation. As well as the Jason Grimsley stuff which was an FBI investigation.

[yvesdereuter]

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I believe Radomski was caught up in one investigation and the other source was part of the whole BALCO situation. As well as the Jason Grimsley stuff which was an FBI investigation.

OK, see, you cant be certain that any of those witnesses werent telling the feds what they wanted to hear to save their own neck. And then what happens to that, it gets leaked and then filters down to the Mitchell investigation and its given entirely more credibility than it deserves.

[SportsTop]

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A lot of its hearsay. If a guys name gets mentioned then he goes in the report (save one exception who I cant recall). And the only way to exonerate yourself is through rebuttal which would also go in the report...there would be no omission.

It can't all be hearsay because the overwhelming majority of the players named haven't rebutted the report. In fact, nearly everyone that has spoken publically about the report has acknowledged their steroid/HGH use.

The Mitchell report did something right.

[yvesdereuter]

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It can't all be hearsay because the overwhelming majority of the players named haven't rebutted the report. In fact, nearly everyone that has spoken publically about the report has acknowledged their steroid/HGH use.

The Mitchell report did something right.

Havent a lot of the people like Wolf and Segui already come forward before the report was released?

[SportsTop]

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Whatever the case, what happened didso because it was the church and if they were truly interested in looking out for the wellbeing of the youth, they would have had ample justification to do so...instead they cherrypicked and picked on baseball because it was safer to do so. It seems a little disingenuous to say you do something for children but only do it when its safe politically. Which brings us back to the fact that it was political grandstanding.

I suggest you do more reading on the entire subject and don't allow your personal opinion to get in the way. There is a lot of information on why Congress was compelled to get involved in baseball's steroid problem (that Churches are privvy to).

[SportsTop]

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Havent a lot of the people like Wolf and Segui already come forward before the report was released?

If, by a lot, you mean three (Canseco). Then yes.