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  • fugazi
    MVP
    • Apr 2003
    • 3749

    #1

    Cubs rumour...or threat...



    This scenario has the Cubbies trading Rich Hill, Eric Patterson and possibly others for Carl Crawford...

    Sorry, that is tardo...Rich Hill is shaping up VERY nicely...

    Cubs GMpeople: "Eh, who needs a good lefty starter? they are everywhere these days...we will fill his hole in the rotation with Ryan Dempster. But we better get Shawn Estes on the phone, just in case..."


    good lord, I hope this doesn't happen...I wouldn't mind Crawford coming to Chicago...but not for this much.
    Australian Rules Football...just sayin'
  • asrabbit91
    Banned
    • Sep 2005
    • 1242

    #2
    Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

    Carl Crawford is a beast, but really they could of had resigned Juan Pierre. At Wrigley speed isn't as big of a deal in the outfield, they are ruining Felix Pie. Also if they deal Hill they have no pitching in a season with bad pitching in the FA Market. Marquis is a headcase and can't last a whole season, Ted Lilly is decent. They just have an Ace a number 4 starter, and a number 5.

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    • fugazi
      MVP
      • Apr 2003
      • 3749

      #3
      Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

      yes it would be stupid...especially considering that the team isn't even sold on Sean Marshall as a MajorLeague starter...you would think they might offer him instead, or try to...

      I say trade ARamirez...he was a punk against AZ, a real punk.
      Australian Rules Football...just sayin'

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      • ComfortablyLomb
        MVP
        • Sep 2003
        • 3548

        #4
        Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

        Originally posted by asrabbit91
        Carl Crawford is a beast, but really they could of had resigned Juan Pierre. At Wrigley speed isn't as big of a deal in the outfield, they are ruining Felix Pie. Also if they deal Hill they have no pitching in a season with bad pitching in the FA Market. Marquis is a headcase and can't last a whole season, Ted Lilly is decent. They just have an Ace a number 4 starter, and a number 5.
        They don't have an ace unless you want to pretend Carlos Zambrano and his 100+ walks a year can be one.

        FWIW, Crawford has to be praying this happens. He'll be a real star if he can get out of Tampa (especially if he goes to the NL Central).

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        • Scottdau
          Banned
          • Feb 2003
          • 32580

          #5
          Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

          Originally posted by ComfortablyLomb
          They don't have an ace unless you want to pretend Carlos Zambrano and his 100+ walks a year can be one.

          FWIW, Crawford has to be praying this happens. He'll be a real star if he can get out of Tampa (especially if he goes to the NL Central).
          How many games did he win last year?

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          • ComfortablyLomb
            MVP
            • Sep 2003
            • 3548

            #6
            Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

            Originally posted by Scottd
            How many games did he win last year?
            Five more than he lost?

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            • asrabbit91
              Banned
              • Sep 2005
              • 1242

              #7
              Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

              He still has a power arm, he is just a head case. If he had more composure he would be a top 2 pitcher in the NL.

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              • ComfortablyLomb
                MVP
                • Sep 2003
                • 3548

                #8
                Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

                Originally posted by asrabbit91
                He still has a power arm, he is just a head case. If he had more composure he would be a top 2 pitcher in the NL.
                Better, yes. Well if you mean he's going to walk less. But top 2? It would take a lot of composure to be among Webb, Oswalt, and Peavy. Of course, Wrigley has been killing him so maybe his numbers are a bit skewed.

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                • GBrushTWood
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 1624

                  #9
                  Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

                  Hill is nice but if you can get a guy like Crawford you do it. He's a cornerstone player similar to Jose Reyes, David Wright, Grady Sizemore, etc.

                  If the best guy you have to give up is Rich Hill, you definitely make that trade. Crawford is a legitimate 5 tool player. This would be great for the Cubs.

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                  • Gary Armida
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 2533

                    #10
                    Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

                    Originally posted by ComfortablyLomb
                    Better, yes. Well if you mean he's going to walk less. But top 2? It would take a lot of composure to be among Webb, Oswalt, and Peavy. Of course, Wrigley has been killing him so maybe his numbers are a bit skewed.
                    Ballpark definitely has something to do with his numbers, but having watched him alot this year, he just loses the strike zone too much and has too many of those 2.2 6 runs, 5 walk games to be an ace. He's talented and has great stuff, but he is an enigma. If he ever put it together though...
                    Formerly Favre4vr

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                    • chippered
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 1528

                      #11
                      Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

                      Originally posted by fugazi
                      yes it would be stupid...especially considering that the team isn't even sold on Sean Marshall as a MajorLeague starter...you would think they might offer him instead, or try to...

                      I say trade ARamirez...he was a punk against AZ, a real punk.
                      I know. The guy was awful for those three games. I'd prefer they just cut him now so he doesnt ruin the teams chances of making the playoffs next year like he did this year.

                      Originally posted by Scottd
                      How many games did he win last year?
                      Wins and loses, coupled with ERA are the most overrated pitching statistics in the game today.

                      Zambrano's ability to act as an adult is the bane of his existance. The last thing you want to do when you cant find the strike zone or your getting squeezed is throw harder, but what does he do?

                      Coming from a Cub's fan, Big Z is far from an ace. He wants the title, but doesnt deserve it.

                      Originally posted by favre4vr
                      Ballpark definitely has something to do with his numbers, but having watched him alot this year, he just loses the strike zone too much and has too many of those 2.2 6 runs, 5 walk games to be an ace. He's talented and has great stuff, but he is an enigma. If he ever put it together though...
                      I keep saying the same thing. I also said that about the Weak Sisters,Wood and Prior, but we see where that got me.

                      As far as the trade, I'd rather stay with Pie in center, but they need to give him a chance to play. They'll ruin his career if they play him one or two games and then sit him for four or five. You just cant do that to a young hitter. With Pie in the lineup last year, they were like 15 games over .500, FYI.
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                      • Gary Armida
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 2533

                        #12
                        Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

                        Yeah, Pie definitely needs to get a chance, a real chance. I don't know if Lou is willing to give to him though for some reason. Maybe his time in Tampa Bay soured him towards young players? Maybe Jaque Jones and Cliff Floyd out of the way helps Pie's chances.
                        Formerly Favre4vr

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                        • Macar91
                          Running of the Bulls
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 2574

                          #13
                          Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

                          I'd trade E-Patt and Hill for Crawford in a heartbeat. I wanna see Angel Guzman in the Cubs rotation next year, there's no doubt in my mind that he could pitch better than Hill did this year.

                          Everyone seems to be forgetting about Prior, too. He could come in as the 5th man in the rotation and pitch way above expectations. Even if he doesn't pitch great, the Cubs won't lose a lot having him as the 5th guy.
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                          • Lewshus
                            Bleeding Cubbie Blue
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 263

                            #14
                            Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

                            Originally posted by chippered
                            I know. The guy was awful for those three games. I'd prefer they just cut him now so he doesnt ruin the teams chances of making the playoffs next year like he did this year.
                            With that logic the Cubs should cut Lee, Soriano, Theriot, DeRosa, etc. Because they all stunk in that series against AZ

                            Felix Pie is not ready to play everyday. He can't hit...period. I'm tired of waiting for these prospects to pan out. First it was Patterson, and now its Pie. Pie has only showed that he can catch the ball and thats it. He is a career AAA player. Say it with me "Prospects are good for trading and thats it."

                            You guys are acting like Rich Hill is the second coming of Tom Seaver. The man was 11-8 with a 3.92 era. True he had an excellent strikeout to walk ratio. But just like in the stock market you have got to sell high. And right now this is as high as Hill has been. If the Cubs don't make this move and Hill has a regression you'll all crucify the Cubs for not getting Crawford.
                            Take a look at his stats, they are truly STAGGERING! He has been buried in Tampa for so long he has not been getting recognition for the star he is.

                            So please Mr. Hendry bring us a Crawford for Christmas
                            Last edited by Lewshus; 11-14-2007, 01:17 AM.

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                            • Gary Armida
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 2533

                              #15
                              Re: Cubs rumour...or threat...

                              Originally posted by Lewshus
                              Say it with me "Prospects are good for trading and thats it."
                              Well, unless of course those prospects are good. Carl Crawford was once a prospect.
                              Formerly Favre4vr

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