Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

[ryanm1058123]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

What?

They offered a single prospect, Hughes, plus garbage.

Please stop talking. You obviously know nothing about prospects so just do us a favor and stop making a fool out of yourself

Hughes, Melky, Austin Jackson (top 50, CFer with speed and power) is better than any package Boston could offer.

[snepp]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Jackson was never offered, perhaps you should stop talking. Who's the fool?

[ryanm1058123]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Jackson was never offered, perhaps you should stop talking.

We don't really know what was offered as you weren't sitting in the room. And Peter Gammons isn't a good source.

Bottom line is, if the Yankees really thought he was worth the price, they would have him right now because nobody can compete with them in putting together a package unless the Devil Rays or say the Angels wanted to get into the bidding.

[snepp]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Every report I read or heard (none of which came from Gammons) had Jackson listed along with all of the other "untouchables" that the Yankees refused to give up for the 3rd player.

[Knight165]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

We don't really know what was offered as you weren't sitting in the room. And Peter Gammons isn't a good source.

...so you are a better source than Peter Gammons
How the heck would YOU know who was offered if you weren't in the room?

and as far as prospect packages go....there are a dozen teams who have more to offer than the Yankees. Not all of them can afford to pay Santana what he wants or are a team Santana is willing to go to...

Ryan...the Yankees DO NOT have the best farm system prospect in the majors...and if that's what you are saying.....please...just stop. It's getting foolish.

M.K.
Knight165

[ryanm1058123]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Yankees have the best chip (Hughes) and the best pitching in the minors. They are kind of weak in hitting aside from their two top guys Jackson and Tabata but they do have the best pitching in the minors and this is even without counting Joba and Hughes.

[snepp]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Twins are in no hurry to trade Santana

[CMH]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Melky and who?

Forgive me for not being impressed with a below average centerfielder with minimal upside and a low quality prospect unlikely to amount to anything in return for arguably the premier starter in the league.

What makes Justin Masterson so special?

And you can say what you want about Lowrie and Kalich but are they comparable to having a Phil Hughes?

The point is the Yanks don't have to offer as much as the Red Sox because they are throwing in Hughes.

I don't know why you are so adament about putting a .275 hitter with a .728 OPS down so hard. I don't think anyone here has said he's gonna be great but you're truly ignoring what he's done in his two years in the league. You're acting like he's putting up Coco Crisp numbers.

[eXperiment63]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Ironically, Crisp had better numbers at the same point in his career...

[CMH]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Ironically, Crisp had better numbers at the same point in his career...

Eh, I knew that was coming up.

I meant Crisp's years in Boston.

Either way, my point stands. If you're going to put down Cabrera then you shouldn't be happy about getting Crisp.

[CMH]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

You want my honest opinion, actually?

I think both deals suck.

But guess what? Nobody is going to give the Twins equal value for Santana because there simply is no one that could make it equal.

[eXperiment63]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Beckett could... He aint goin nowhere though.

[rsnomar05]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Hughes, Melky, Austin Jackson (top 50, CFer with speed and power) is better than any package Boston could offer.

Peter Gammons isn't a good source.

Yankees have the best chip (Hughes) and the best pitching in the minors. They are kind of weak in hitting aside from their two top guys Jackson and Tabata but they do have the best pitching in the minors and this is even without counting Joba and Hughes.

The Yankees do not have the best pitching in the minors, especially without counting Joba and Hughes. In fact, Baseball America says the Red Sox, with Buchholz among others, have the best pitching. I'm surprised they are ranked ahead of the Rays, but Buchholz is ranked as the best pitching prospect in baseball, ahead of Joba and Hughes.

It is also laughable to say that the Yankees could package something better than anything the Red Sox could offer. If the Sox offered Ellsbury and Buchholz, this trade would have been done a long time ago. But don't want to part with either one (though there are reports that they have put Ellsbury on the table).

And saying Peter Gammons isn't a good source? GM's constantly say Gammons has better sources than any other reporter in the league. In Moneyball, Billy Beane said he ONLY speaks to Gammons, because unlike most reporters Gammons sources are actually reliable.

[NYJets]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

The Yankees do not have the best pitching in the minors, especially without counting Joba and Hughes. In fact, Baseball America says the Red Sox, with Buchholz among others, have the best pitching. I'm surprised they are ranked ahead of the Rays, but Buchholz is ranked as the best pitching prospect in baseball, ahead of Joba and Hughes.

Do you have links to any of that?

i have never seen anywhere rank Bucholz higher than Hughes, or anywhere say that the Red Sox have better pitching in the minors than the Yankees.

[rsnomar05]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Do you have links to any of that?

i have never seen anywhere rank Bucholz higher than Hughes, or anywhere say that the Red Sox have better pitching in the minors than the Yankees.

I can't include it because it's subscription content (against TOS), but let me look. I'll try to find another place that has the list.

Buchholz is rated as the number one pitching prospect. He's the number two prospect overall behind Jay Bruce of Cincinnati. Hughes is third, ahead of Rasmus, Maybin, Kershaw, and Joba Chamberlain.