Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

[ryanm1058123]

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And take a glimpse at Ellsbury's minor league statistics. They aren't that good. He's not a top 25 prospect in the minors IMO and is a product of Peter Gammons and Jim Callis hype.

[CMH]

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Umm you do realize that most prospects aside from Josh Beckett or Mark Prior are not hyped right when they come out of HS/college.. right?

Hughes wasn't rated really high when he first got out of HS.. its not that big of a deal. I can tell you that the Yankees were really really really high on Joba which is why they took him in the supp round even though there were huge concerns about his injuries and his weight.

So then why did you say this:

And Joba was as untouchable as guys just out of college as you could get.

I thought that's what this was about. If it's not then I hold back my statement.

[snepp]

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I know this is just a rumor, but this would be a huge blockbuster.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/1...areyeshar.html

The general consensus from what I've gathered is that is a gigantic load of crap.

[CMH]

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And take a glimpse at Ellsbury's minor league statistics. They aren't that good. He's not a top 25 prospect in the minors IMO and is a product of Peter Gammons and Jim Callis hype.

Still better numbers than Melky Cabrera. That was the only comparison being made here.

I don't know about those Johnny Damon ones. I find that ridiculous. Damon was an amazing minor league player and was a prized prospect at 18.

[ryanm1058123]

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So then why did you say this:



I thought that's what this was about. If it's not then I hold back my statement.

My point still stands. It's all relative. Joba was hyped as much as you possibly could for a guy out of HS. He wasn't getting mainstream publicity because not many do(if it all do), but everybody in minor league circles knew about him and knew he was a stud.

[ryanm1058123]

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Still better numbers than Melky Cabrera. That was the only comparison being made here.

I don't know about those Johnny Damon ones. I find that ridiculous. Damon was an amazing minor league player and was a prized prospect at 18.

He's better than Melky but he's not a top 25 prospect. Hell I don't even think he's a top 40 prospect. It's just a load of hype. He's not the player Damon is and he won't be. He's not even that great of a CFer yet. I'm hoping they trade away Crisp as a Yankee fan because Crisp is top 2-3 at CF defensively and Ellsbury is a CLEAR step down from him.

[snepp]

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And take a glimpse at Ellsbury's minor league statistics. They aren't that good. He's not a top 25 prospect in the minors IMO and is a product of Peter Gammons and Jim Callis hype.

Who called him a top 25 prospect?

Ellsbury's minor league statistics are pretty respectable for a plus defender and leadoff hitter.

[Stu]

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He's better than Melky but he's not a top 25 prospect. Hell I don't even think he's a top 40 prospect. It's just a load of hype. He's not the player Damon is and he won't be. He's not even that great of a CFer yet. I'm hoping they trade away Crisp as a Yankee fan because Crisp is top 2-3 at CF defensively and Ellsbury is a CLEAR step down from him.

Jeeze man, take off the goggles. I'm not sure where Ellsbury ranks as far as prospects and frankly don't care. Anybody who's watched him knows the dude can play.

[ryanm1058123]

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Yes he's gonna be a solid player but he's not an untouchable. I think I saw a Jim Callis list where he had Ellsbury as the #17 prospect in baseball which is a freaking joke. 2 hot months don't change the player Ellsbury is.

[Sandman42]

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The general consensus from what I've gathered is that is a gigantic load of crap.

Oh, yeah I doubt it would ever happen. Still fun to think about though. The trade is actually pretty even for all 3 teams, but it has like a 0.0001% chance of happening.

[snepp]

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Oh, yeah I doubt it would ever happen. Still fun to think about though. The trade is actually pretty even for all 3 teams, but it has like a 0.0001% chance of happening.

Ick no, I don't see how it would be even.

The Twins would ultimately be trading Santana for Haren.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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Ick no, I don't see how it would be even.

The Twins would ultimately be trading Santana for Haren.

Hi, the Twins could either have something or nothing after 2008. Well, unless they decide to pony up for once and re-sign Santana.

[Knight165]

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It's funny how after a hot 2 months Ellsbury is considered an untouchable when last year you couldn't find a person who considered him once. The guy isn't a bad player, he's a good CFer, but he's nothing great. He's not gonna hit .400 his whole career.

Holy smoke....are Yankee fans THAT delusional?
Nobody considered Ellsbury a top prospect until now?
How about EVERY minor league report had Ellsbury in the top 50 prospect report for 2007 and NONE had Chamberlain in there?
Even the YANKEES had Chamberlain only at 5 on their own charts this year with Hughes, Sanchez, Tabata and Betances ahead of him.
I will give you this....most scouts think Chamberlain(even before his impressive MLB debut) has a huge upside IF he maintains a "less than rotund"(FAT) body shape and doesn't try to make up for being in poor shape(which he has been on and off since HS...NOT a good sign) with overthrowing which leads to his injuries.
Geez Yankee fans(some)...pass the pipe the rest of the league is fiending for some of that!

M.K.
Knight165

[ryanm1058123]

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Holy smoke....are Yankee fans THAT delusional?
Nobody considered Ellsbury a top prospect until now?
How about EVERY minor league report had Ellsbury in the top 50 prospect report for 2007 and NONE had Chamberlain in there?
Even the YANKEES had Chamberlain only at 5 on their own charts this year with Hughes, Sanchez, Tabata and Betances ahead of him.
I will give you this....most scouts think Chamberlain(even before his impressive MLB debut) has a huge upside IF he maintains a "less than rotund"(FAT) body shape and doesn't try to make up for being in poor shape(which he has been on and off since HS...NOT a good sign) with overthrowing which leads to his injuries.
Geez Yankee fans(some)...pass the pipe the rest of the league is fiending for some of that!

M.K.
Knight165

Ellsbury was drafted a year earlier, and I explained it all earlier in the thread about Joba. Not to mention a notorious media bias (Jim Callis, Keith Law) towards Red Sox prospects and you have why Ellsbury is so high. Plus the obsession with a speedy leadoff hitter. And look at Joba now, he certainly isn't fat anymore. Ellsbury doesn't have as high a upside as Joba, not even close.

[Sandman42]

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Ick no, I don't see how it would be even.

The Twins would ultimately be trading Santana for Haren.

I don't see the problem of having 3 years of Haren over 1 year of Santana.