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  • eXperiment63
    MVP
    • Mar 2004
    • 3077

    #16
    Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

    Please don't EVER use the word great as a descriptor for Melky Cabrera....

    Guy is a .275 hitter with negligible power, and he aint even that good a base stealer.


    I hope the Yanks give the farm for him, I would love it.

    Cano/Cabrera/Kennedy/Hughes... I would love it!
    Last edited by eXperiment63; 11-27-2007, 01:54 PM.

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    • Sandman42
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2004
      • 15186

      #17
      Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

      The only ones who I wouldn't trade are Cano, Chamberlain, and one of Hughes/Kennedy. The Yankees definitely have the prospects to make the trade without those guys though as they can set up a package including Kennedy, Cabrera/Tabata/Jackson, and they also have some younger promising prospects like Jeffrey Marquez and Dellin Betances.
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      • ehh
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2003
        • 28962

        #18
        Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

        Hughes and Cabrera might be the deal.

        I love Hughes and I want him to stay more than most fans, but you can't pass on Santana if you can get him.

        Cano and Joba aren't going anywhere.
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        • Mr.Burns
          Rookie
          • Aug 2007
          • 381

          #19
          Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

          It would actually make more sense for the Twins to trade for Cano. And maybe even Tabata/Jackson, considering their OF needs new players. Robinson Cano for that team, in that stadium would probably be a Triple Crown winner.
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          • CMH
            Making you famous
            • Oct 2002
            • 26203

            #20
            Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

            Hughes will make this deal happen. I don't think his stock can get any higher. If it does then the Yanks will never move him. I think Hughes will be a very good pitcher in MLB but it also seems to me that he doesn't necessarily have the stuff to make him a high 3 ERA pitcher. He'll win if he's in pinstripes and he'll strike out a good number of guys (200+ every season is what I assume). But, if the Yanks have to give him up for Santana, you pull the trigger.

            I'm more worried about giving up Kennedy. I think he has true ace stuff. If the Yanks can hold on to him and Chamberlain without giving up a guy like Horne then I'd be happy.
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            • ehh
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2003
              • 28962

              #21
              Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

              Originally posted by YankeePride_YP
              Hughes will make this deal happen. I don't think his stock can get any higher. If it does then the Yanks will never move him. I think Hughes will be a very good pitcher in MLB but it also seems to me that he doesn't necessarily have the stuff to make him a high 3 ERA pitcher. He'll win if he's in pinstripes and he'll strike out a good number of guys (200+ every season is what I assume). But, if the Yanks have to give him up for Santana, you pull the trigger.

              I'm more worried about giving up Kennedy. I think he has true ace stuff. If the Yanks can hold on to him and Chamberlain without giving up a guy like Horne then I'd be happy.
              We definitely have different opinions.

              Hughes has the highest potential by far, IMO. He has a plus curveball with a sharp break and can get his fastball up to 94. Plus his slider and change are still coming along.

              Kennedy has zero "plus" pitches, not sure how can have ace potential. He's lucky to hit 91 on the gun, I honestly don't know if he'll be more than a middle of the rotation guy. Many baseball people are comparing him to Mussina, who was a great 2nd tier pitcher, IMO and never an ace.
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              • eXperiment63
                MVP
                • Mar 2004
                • 3077

                #22
                Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                I hope it takes at least Cano/Hughes. That would make my day!

                Get rid of a potential future ace, and get rid of a damn good hitter from that lineup.

                Santana doesn't scare me all that much. Great pitcher, but he isn't suited to pitch well at Fenway. Left-handed fly-ballers who supply the power, that isn't suited for the Monstah.

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                • DrJones
                  All Star
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 9109

                  #23
                  Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                  Originally posted by ehh
                  Many baseball people are comparing him to Mussina, who was a great 2nd tier pitcher, IMO and never an ace.
                  How do you define ace? Between the ages of 23 to 32, Mussina averaged 16 wins a season and had eight top-6 finishes in Cy Young voting. Being a top-5 starter in the AL for a decade sounds like an ace to me.
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                  Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
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                  • eXperiment63
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 3077

                    #24
                    Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                    Mussina never dominated... An ace is dominating. He was consistently VERY good, but he was NEVER dominating.

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                    • DrJones
                      All Star
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 9109

                      #25
                      Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                      Originally posted by eXperiment63
                      Mussina never dominated... An ace is dominating. He was consistently VERY good, but he was NEVER dominating.
                      So who qualified as an ace during that era (92-01), then? Unit, Clemens, Pedro? I don't think you need to be a HOF'er to be considered an ace.
                      Originally posted by Thrash13
                      Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
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                      DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
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                      • Kashanova
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 12695

                        #26
                        Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                        Originally posted by ehh
                        Hughes and Cabrera might be the deal.

                        I love Hughes and I want him to stay more than most fans, but you can't pass on Santana if you can get him.

                        Cano and Joba aren't going anywhere.
                        trade kennedy instead of hughes is what i would love

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                        • WazzuRC
                          Go Cougs!
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 5617

                          #27
                          Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                          Originally posted by Kashanova
                          trade kennedy instead of hughes is what i would love
                          HA. Kennedy and Cabrera for Santana?! Get out of here...

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                          • eXperiment63
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 3077

                            #28
                            Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                            Originally posted by DrJones
                            So who qualified as an ace during that era (92-01), then? Unit, Clemens, Pedro? I don't think you need to be a HOF'er to be considered an ace.
                            That is pretty much the definition of an ace... A player who transcends. A DOMINATING starting pitcher. Mussina was a #1, he was, but he was NOT an ACE. An ACE is the guy you want to take the ball in that pivotal game, that guy who can go out there and DOMINATE the other team.

                            Most ACES end up as HoF players. You have your 1s, 2s, 3s, and back-end starters. Then at the top of all of that, you have your ACES. There are VERY few Aces in the game.

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                            • NYJets
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 18637

                              #29
                              Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                              I think Hughes is actually pretty comparable to Mussina in his prime. Mussina didn't always throw this slow. I think he was an ace back in his days with the Orioles and first few years with the Yankees. I wouldn't be disappointed if Hughes had a Mussina like career, though I think he has the potential to be even better than that.

                              Kennedy seems like more of a poor man's Mussina to me. I think he'll be more like Mussina has been over the last few years, around an average pitcher. A solid guy to have in any rotation, but as a #3 or #4. I don't see ace stuff at all from him, Hughes had much better stuff this year imo and this was not Hughes at his best.
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                              • RoyalBoyle78
                                Aka."Footballforever"
                                • May 2003
                                • 23918

                                #30
                                Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                                Santana will not be a Yankee, trust me on this one. They are not front runners at all either, I hjeard this on the FAN today, there just one team to come out in public to say that they contacting the Twins...Thats all at this point.
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