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  • dkgojackets
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    • Mar 2005
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    #16
    Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

    Originally posted by boomhauertjs
    Uh, Omar Vizquel? He's won 11 Gold Gloves.
    lol, did you just use Gold Gloves as an argument? I think you did.

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    • ExtremeGamer
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      • Jul 2002
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      #17
      Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

      Originally posted by dkgojackets
      lol, did you just use Gold Gloves as an argument? I think you did.
      ?

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      • jake44np
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        • Jul 2002
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        #18
        Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

        Originally posted by dkgojackets
        .790 OPS last season. Who would you put in? Khalil Greene's .290 on-base? Peralta?
        Orlando Cabrera for one.
        K. Green for another.
        Shall I go on?
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        • Sandman42
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          • Aug 2004
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          #19
          Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

          1. Hanley Ramirez
          2. Derek Jeter
          3. Jimmy Rollins
          4. Jose Reyes
          5. Troy Tulowitzki
          6. Miguel Tejada
          7. Michael Young
          8. Edgar Renteria
          9. Jack Wilson
          10. JJ Hardy
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          • dirk360
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            #20
            Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

            Khalil green 27 homers and 95 rbi are pretty good.

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            • jake44np
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              #21
              Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

              Originally posted by dkgojackets
              lol, did you just use Gold Gloves as an argument? I think you did.
              Well defense if half of the game, and for SS's it is even more important.
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              • dkgojackets
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                #22
                Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
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                Gold Gloves rarely reflect defensive performance and are typically just awarded based on popularity and who won them before.

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                • Sandman42
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                  • Aug 2004
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                  #23
                  Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                  Originally posted by jake44np
                  Well defense if half of the game, and for SS's it is even more important.
                  Yeah, but use an actual defensive statistic instead of the Gold Glove, which is the dumbest award the MLB gives out.
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                  • dkgojackets
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                    #24
                    Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                    Originally posted by jake44np
                    Well defense if half of the game, and for SS's it is even more important.
                    I agree that defense is important. There are also about 3412 better ways to evaluate defense than "# of gold gloves"

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                    • ExtremeGamer
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                      #25
                      Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                      Originally posted by dkgojackets
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                      Gold Gloves rarely reflect defensive performance and are typically just awarded based on popularity and who won them before.
                      So you're saying Omar Vizquel isn't one of the best defensive shortstop's out there over his career, and it's all a popularity contest?

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                      • Gibbz
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                        • Aug 2005
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                        #26
                        Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                        Originally posted by JBH3
                        No way should Michael Young be considered in the top 3 or 5 in the game.

                        The lowest batting average he's had in the last 5 seasons is .306, he has 570 RBI's since being assigned as a starter, he has 5 straight 200+ hit seasons, he's been a consistent fielder throughout his career, has won an AL batting title, and has hit close to .400 with runners in scoring position.



                        Yeah, it's outrageous to think anyone would believe he'd be a top 5 candidate.

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                        • jake44np
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                          #27
                          Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                          Originally posted by gibbzilla558
                          The lowest batting average he's had in the last 5 seasons is .306, he has 570 RBI's since being assigned as a starter, he has 5 straight 200+ hit seasons, he's been a consistent fielder throughout his career, has won an AL batting title, and has hit close to .400 with runners in scoring position.



                          Yeah, it's outrageous to think anyone would believe he'd be a top 5 candidate.
                          Yeah I would agree Young is in the top 5 for sure.

                          I would go:

                          1. jimmy rollins
                          2. derek jeter
                          3. hanley ramirez
                          4. jose reyes
                          5. michael young
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                          • snepp
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                            • Apr 2003
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                            #28
                            Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                            Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
                            So you're saying Omar Vizquel isn't one of the best defensive shortstop's out there over his career, and it's all a popularity contest?
                            Yeah, that's what he's saying.

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                            • snepp
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                              • Apr 2003
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                              #29
                              Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                              Originally posted by dirk360
                              Khalil green 27 homers and 95 rbi are pretty good.
                              Yeah, if you completely ignore their context.
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                              • snepp
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                                • Apr 2003
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                                #30
                                Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                                I don't know if he cracks the top 10, but Jack Wilson is definately one of the more under-appreciated shortstops in the league.
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