Your Batting Order Formulas

[Korosuke]

What are your formulas or theories on the batting lineup?

[RandyMoss84]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

i like a good lead off with speed. best hitter at 3rd. power at 4th n 5th. alternate righty lefty as much as possible

[chitownballa]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

1. Alfonso Soriano is not a lead-off hitter

that's about it

[Blzer]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

National League:

1) Typical leadoff hitter. Has speed and can draw a walk (meaning not necessarily such a free swinger). Ability to steal bases, bunt to get on base... big spark-plug kind of guy, probably with a very high OBP.

2) Situational hitter. Understands his role of unselfishness in that he is willing to bunt, move runners over by hitting to the right side, and put on the hit and run. Enough speed to avoid double plays. Able to go out of the strike zone with comfortability. Lefties suggested, unless it's a good switch hitter with a lot of control punching the ball to right field on either side. You'll notice that NL teams with a good #2 hitter seem to do very well in first inning performances.

3) Best hitter in the lineup. That's really all it means. Not necessarily in terms of power, but most potent to make damage in the first inning. Probably second in home runs on the team.

4) Most powerful hitter. Last resort if 1 - 3 doesn't come through with a run, and can even lead off the second inning with a solo dinger. Strikeouts may be an issue, but that's not necessarily of his concern. Typically a righty if the 3 hitter is a lefty.

5) If possible, a hitter that can split gaps. Almost a second-rate #3 hitter in terms of the ability of the player, not necessarily in terms of being the second best hitter necessarily. Sort of your "clutch" man. Also a good time to have a switch hitter.

6) A hitter that can generate a high OBP, not necessarily quick on the base paths. In case 1 - 5 fails in the first, they are starting up the second in hopes that the pitcher doesn't have to lead off the next inning.

7) Aside from the pitcher, probably your worst hitter in the lineup. No important role other than to be the worst hitter that can make the starting lineup. Probably a decent slot to try some rookies.

8) A player that basically knows how to hit in front of the pitcher (doesn't want to be the third out so the pitcher leads off the next inning). A combination of the #2/#5 hitter. Enough to get by and avoid the double play, and when the time calls for it, can get the sac fly if called upon.

9) Pitcher



American League 1 - 7 is the same. Then:

8) "Secret weapon". A hidden power hitter near the bottom of the lineup. Almost a second #4 hitter, but a little more "all or nothing" in a sense (and weaker, of course).

9) A second leadoff hitter. Much speed, preferably lower OBP than actual leadoff hitter but hopefully not too much lower.

[Korosuke]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

Thanks Blzer I appreciate the thought you put into this

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

1-8 whoever can hit the damn ball.
9 I don't care.

[JBH3]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

1-8 whoever can hit the damn ball.
9 I don't care.

Which is why you are not a Major League manager, and why any swinging dick can't be.

[snepp]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

Which is why you are not a Major League manager, and why any swinging dick can't be.

You should talk....

[NYJets]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

1-2 guys who get on base, probably don't have a lot of power, but do have speed, though it's not a requirement if they are great at getting on base.

3-5 best all around hitters on the team.

6-9 whatever's left. If you have a good team hopefully at least part of it is an extension of 3-5. If you don't, just start with the guy who sucks the least and end with the guy who sucks the most.

Try and switch between righties and lefties as much as possible if you can, but the most important thing is to just get your best hitters as many plate appearances as you can.

[JBH3]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

You should talk....

Why...Because I like Jimmy Rollins as 2007 MVP? Give it up dude. Seriously...

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

1) Don't need speed, don't really need a great hitter, you need someone who is willing to walk or someone who is willing to just slap the ball. It has to be someone who is self less and doesn't want to put up the big stats.

2) Speed or a decent hitter. You have to give yourself a chance for someone to be on base for your 3 and 4 hitters.

3) You best hitter who is also good at getting on base. Some power, enough to hit about 20-30 home runs but is heavy on the doubles. Someone who is able to put up 40 or 50 doubles in a season.

4) Your big power bat. This is your guy who drives in the runs and puts the ball in the seats. Man Ram, A-Rod or someone along those lines.

5) Your second best HR hitter, someone who isn't afraid to swing for the fences, no matter what the count. Doesn't need to be a good hitter, just has to be a big time HR hitter. High OBP is welcome as well.

6) See 5

7) A young player who has a bright future as a hitter. It takes off the pressure for the young guy to perform.

8) The worst hitter on your team, which is usually your SS or 2Bman. They should definately be the best fielder on your team.

9) Your pitcher in the NL or the 2nd lead off hitter in the AL. Someone who can get on base and perhaps your 3rd best hitter on your team. IMHO, 3rd most important spot in the lineup behind the 1st and 3rd.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

Which is why you are not a Major League manager, and why any swinging dick can't be.

First of all, who the hell are you? Second of all, thanks for the hostility. Have a good one.

And lastly, you added nothing in the thread except a little personal attack. I'm sorry, but I go by with what I say and it wasn't intended to be a smart-*** comment. Look, you're looking for people who can hit. I truly have no preference, just as long as they can hit. I'd rather have a lineup of .300 hitters then try to have specialists, but that's just me. I don't care much for being a Major League manager because they get scrutinized for everything.

[SPTO]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

1. Doesn't necessarily have to be a high OBP guy but has to be a guy that has tons of speed and willing to steal bases

2. High OBP guy, can get hits and draw walks. In an ideal world this guy would have some speed on the basepaths as well.

3. Best hitter in the lineup, someone who can drive the ball to all fields and can hit the long ball if needed. i'd say around 20-25 HR type power.

4. Your typical power hitter. It doesn't matter if his AVG is only in the .250s as long as he can drive the ball, get walks and cash in RISP.

5. 2nd best HR hitter who has a little more discipline at the plate.

6. Basically a doubles hitter in the mold of Lyle Overbay

7. Youngest every day player in the lineup would bat here. He'll feel comfortable being down in the lineup. This would also be where a guy on his way down in the majors would be slotted at.

8. worst hitter in the lineup.

9. Pitcher in the NL/2nd leadoff guy

[Rod_Carew29]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

leadoff--preferably a speedster with contact....if he's got power, that's a plus

#2 batter--a good contact hitter and with me, I prefer someone who can lay a bunt down reliably

#3 batter--the best overall hitter

#4 batter my power hitter

#5-#8 batters---I usually break up my lefties and righties...trying to never have two of the same side hitting back-to-back

What are your formulas or theories on the batting lineup?

[Blzer]

Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

I know I'm a total goober of a Giants fan as is, but with my formula, the 2000 Giants is actually a pretty half-decent textbook example of what to look for I suppose (with some holes, but here would be where I would fit everybody):


1) Marvin Benard
2) Bill Mueller
3) Barry Bonds
4) Jeff Kent
5) Ellis Burks
6) JT Snow
7) Bobby Estalella
8) Rich Aurilia
9) Pitcher


Granted, Benard wasn't all that, and sometimes your best hitter also has to be your most powerful hitter... but nevertheless, it's pretty close to what you would want.

I actually forgot how good of a #5 hitter Ellis Burks was back in the day.