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  • dkgojackets
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    • Mar 2005
    • 13816

    #31
    Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

    It sounds like you are looking way too deep into a sample size of one double play.

    Leading off with your #3 hitter isnt really a bad idea either.

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    • Brandon13
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      • Oct 2005
      • 8915

      #32
      Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

      I'd be all for putting Chipper Jones in the #1 slot. I don't see how that would be anything but good.

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      • Blzer
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        • Mar 2004
        • 42520

        #33
        Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

        The reason you want him at #3 is because you want to get runs in the first inning, but at the same time, you want the chance at getting more than one run in the first inning. Putting him at #4 is the best way possible, but there's no guarantee he bats in the first inning.

        And it's not just one double play, it's just a worse hitter. You do not want your pitcher to lead off an inning. Prevent it in the best way possible.
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        • NYJets
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          • Jul 2002
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          #34
          Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

          I just want to get runs period, and the best way to do that is to get your better hitters as many at bats as possible.
          Originally posted by Jay Bilas
          The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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          • snepp
            We'll waste him too.
            • Apr 2003
            • 10007

            #35
            Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

            Originally posted by NYJets
            I just want to get runs period, and the best way to do that is to get your better hitters as many at bats as possible.
            Tell that to the Twins manager. He has a morbid fascination with light-hitting and largely unproductive middle-infielders hitting second in the lineup.
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            • fugazi
              MVP
              • Apr 2003
              • 3749

              #36
              Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

              Originally posted by NYJets
              I just want to get runs period, and the best way to do that is to get your better hitters as many at bats as possible.
              That is only partly true...it is oversimplified...

              what you want is your best hitters getting as many bats as possible WITH RUNNERS ON BASE....

              Just look at that year that Juan Gonzalez threatened 100 rbis before the break...a lot of it was because Tom Goodwin was getting on base like a madman...

              Your maxim gets A Soriano-like performance...40 hrs, 90 rbis...I would rather have a guy with 130rbis.
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              • dkgojackets
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                • Mar 2005
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                #37
                Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

                pssst if he wasnt leading off he wouldnt have as many homeruns

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                • dkgojackets
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                  • Mar 2005
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                  #38
                  Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

                  Originally posted by Blzer
                  The reason you want him at #3 is because you want to get runs in the first inning, but at the same time, you want the chance at getting more than one run in the first inning. Putting him at #4 is the best way possible, but there's no guarantee he bats in the first inning.
                  runs in the first inning dont count anymore than runs in the 2nd through 9th innings.

                  And it's not just one double play, it's just a worse hitter. You do not want your pitcher to lead off an inning. Prevent it in the best way possible.
                  What would your plan have been? Tell him to strikeout so then the pitcher gets out and you strand two men on base but have the top of the order coming up? Whats the point of having your 6 or 7 hole hitter get on base then? Do you stick him in the seven hole? Then he grounds in the double play a bit earlier while there is just a man on first and you have the number eight guy leading off with the pitcher to follow. If the #8 guy gets on base and then the pitcher gets out, how is this any different than the pitcher recording an out when he leads off the inning and your leadoff man getting on base. Still a man on, one out.

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                  • NYJets
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 18637

                    #39
                    Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

                    Originally posted by fugazi
                    That is only partly true...it is oversimplified...

                    what you want is your best hitters getting as many bats as possible WITH RUNNERS ON BASE....

                    Just look at that year that Juan Gonzalez threatened 100 rbis before the break...a lot of it was because Tom Goodwin was getting on base like a madman...

                    Your maxim gets A Soriano-like performance...40 hrs, 90 rbis...I would rather have a guy with 130rbis.

                    I mostly agree, and I wasn't really saying I would bat my best hitter first, 2nd best hitter 2nd, etc. I was more talking about stuff like snepp was saying, batting someone who can't really hit 2nd because they seem like a traditional #2 type hitter.

                    But, even though in most cases I would probably bat my best all around hitters in the middle, I'm not sure how much it really matters. If the Yankees batted A-Rod first instead of 4th, yea his rbi's would probably go down, but his hr's might go up since he'll probably get more pitches to hit being at the top of the order, and the guys who hit behind him would probably increase their rbi's since they got such a good hitter in front of him.

                    I think as long as you use common sense when making a lineup it really doesn't make that much of a difference what you do.
                    Originally posted by Jay Bilas
                    The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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                    • SPTO
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                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #40
                      Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

                      So has Korosuke given his batting order yet?
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                      • dkgojackets
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 13816

                        #41
                        Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

                        http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ll-lineup.html

                        Heres this exact same thread from a couple months ago.

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                        • dkgojackets
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 13816

                          #42
                          Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

                          testing something

                          http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ll-lineup.html

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                          • fugazi
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 3749

                            #43
                            Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

                            Originally posted by dkgojackets
                            pssst if he wasnt leading off he wouldnt have as many homeruns

                            i'm not really buying this one...

                            he has rarely been used outside of the leadoff spot, so i do not think there is a sample size large enough to say one way or the other...

                            further, he only leads off once in a game...many of his hrs come after the first inning.

                            If he had half a brain for discipline he could bat anywhere and wait for the location he needs for power...imagine what he could do in a lineup if he had some real protection, or provided some real protection...

                            bat him behind Fukudome or Lee or Soto and watch them get plenty more pitches to hit; put him in front of Lee or ARam, and watch him get thrown more strikes...
                            Australian Rules Football...just sayin'

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                            • Blzer
                              Resident film pundit
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 42520

                              #44
                              Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

                              Originally posted by dkgojackets
                              http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ll-lineup.html

                              Heres this exact same thread from a couple months ago.
                              Not too far off from mine at all. In fact, aside from the #6 hitter and switching #7 and #8 in the AL, I'd say ours are pretty damn identical.

                              I would agree with him on the #6 hitter, but assuming your team just plain doesn't have a Russel Branyan and instead has a Joe Mauer, this is where you want to put him. What he was saying was the #6 hitter is your last-resort kind of guy to score runs in the first inning. I'd say it's more accurate to, by probability of success in the inning, give that role to the #5 hitter. Should that hitter fail, now it's up to that sixth hitter to calmly start up the next inning.


                              Him and I tend to agree about the #2 and #8 hitters as well. They know their role, and it is, for the #2 hitter, about getting a runner over; for the #8 hitter, it's about protecting your pitcher. I think one important thing that a #8 hitter needs to know how to do is hit mistake pitches. Pitchers aren't trying to walk this hitter, so there's a good chance of a fastball down the middle. They shouldn't be missing that pitch too often, and in fact should be specifically looking there at times as well.
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                              • Stu
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                                • Jun 2004
                                • 7924

                                #45
                                Re: Your Batting Order Formulas

                                I stand by the post I made in that thread.

                                Originally posted by camulos
                                Here's my "Art of Constructing a Baseball Lineup"

                                1) Make sure your good hitters get more at bats than your bad hitters.
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