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  • Dealin Rams
    Pro
    • Nov 2002
    • 819

    #1

    Complaints about Pitcher's being Removed too Early

    I have read some complaints that pitchers too often get taken out too early. For instance, I remember reading that Wood has been taken out in the 6th for a pinch-hitter with the Cubbies ahead 6-0, 12-0 etc. I am wondering whether this is really a flaw in the game AI or not (by the way, just so people take this with a grain of salt, I think MVP is the best sports game I've played in a long while).

    One thing that I thought of was pitch counts (which the game unfortunately does not keep track of - argg). If Wood has thrown 100 pitches by the 6th inning, it might make sense that he be taken out even when the Cubs are ahead 6-0. If he's only thrown, say, 60 pitches, then this bears a closer look. Perhaps people who have mentioned this as a possible problem should take a game or two and count pitches. See how many pitches are thrown by a computer-controlled pitcher before they're taken out even when they're pitching well.

    Along those lines - has anyone here pitched a complete game? A complete game victory?? Had the AI pitch a complete game against you?? Had the AI pitch a complete game for a loss?? Etc.? Let's hear about it!!
  • moosereihl
    Rookie
    • Aug 2002
    • 182

    #2
    Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

    i've noticed that the computer is pretty quick to yank teh starter. i do try to work counts and make them thow extra pitches, it it still sometimes seems a little early to me and they don't seem to be getting beat up to bad. hopefully they leave some of the big shots in a little longer. i'm waiting for a big clemens/ martinez dual, so hopefully if pedro picthes well they'll leave him in.

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    • moosereihl
      Rookie
      • Aug 2002
      • 182

      #3
      Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

      i've noticed that the computer is pretty quick to yank teh starter. i do try to work counts and make them thow extra pitches, it it still sometimes seems a little early to me and they don't seem to be getting beat up to bad. hopefully they leave some of the big shots in a little longer. i'm waiting for a big clemens/ martinez dual, so hopefully if pedro picthes well they'll leave him in.

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      • CheckMate
        All Star
        • Jul 2002
        • 4133

        #4
        Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

        My pitcher has been able to go beyond 7 innings, its that the CPU yanks their guy too early. I think it is because of a combination of fatigue needing a tweak and the fact that the bullpen doesn't have to be warmed up.

        A pitcher for the Brewers went into the 7th against me, but didn't finish the inning.
        "If y’all see me in the news, and I make the news for something that I ain’t got no business making it for, don’t bash me. Say it was a young guy living."
        - Clinton Portis

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        • CheckMate
          All Star
          • Jul 2002
          • 4133

          #5
          Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

          My pitcher has been able to go beyond 7 innings, its that the CPU yanks their guy too early. I think it is because of a combination of fatigue needing a tweak and the fact that the bullpen doesn't have to be warmed up.

          A pitcher for the Brewers went into the 7th against me, but didn't finish the inning.
          "If y’all see me in the news, and I make the news for something that I ain’t got no business making it for, don’t bash me. Say it was a young guy living."
          - Clinton Portis

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          • BigDogBK
            Rookie
            • Mar 2003
            • 15

            #6
            Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

            Well, Bartolo Colon threw a complete game shutout against me on opening day (Royals Franchise).

            We lost 1-0...Great Game!!

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            • BigDogBK
              Rookie
              • Mar 2003
              • 15

              #7
              Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

              Well, Bartolo Colon threw a complete game shutout against me on opening day (Royals Franchise).

              We lost 1-0...Great Game!!

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              • letsgoOs
                Rookie
                • Feb 2003
                • 8

                #8
                Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

                I agree with you Dmanchild, I actually wrote almost the exact same thing on my review of the game. I haven't tested this out since I have played a limited number of games, but I would be willing to bet there actually is some correlation to # of pitches thrown and game score (in addition to the pitcher's rated stamina level). Because the game plays at a brisk pace, you may not realize the # of pitches that have been thrown, but I would be willing to bet it is higher than you think. I will have to test it out though, but I totally agree with your logic.

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                • letsgoOs
                  Rookie
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 8

                  #9
                  Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

                  I agree with you Dmanchild, I actually wrote almost the exact same thing on my review of the game. I haven't tested this out since I have played a limited number of games, but I would be willing to bet there actually is some correlation to # of pitches thrown and game score (in addition to the pitcher's rated stamina level). Because the game plays at a brisk pace, you may not realize the # of pitches that have been thrown, but I would be willing to bet it is higher than you think. I will have to test it out though, but I totally agree with your logic.

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                  • IrishDrew
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 23

                    #10
                    Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

                    Matt Clement and Kerry Wood of the Cubs each have two complete games in my Cubs franchise. Both done while simming. I had a 14 inning game in which my pitcher (a created version of me ) with a 90 for stamina went 11 innings. We won eventually 3-2.

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                    • IrishDrew
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 23

                      #11
                      Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

                      Matt Clement and Kerry Wood of the Cubs each have two complete games in my Cubs franchise. Both done while simming. I had a 14 inning game in which my pitcher (a created version of me ) with a 90 for stamina went 11 innings. We won eventually 3-2.

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                      • Prisoner97P187
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 58

                        #12
                        Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

                        I was playing against Clevland and they took out their pitcher (can't remember who) in the 7th inning when he was pitching a 5 hit shutout

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                        • Prisoner97P187
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 58

                          #13
                          Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

                          I was playing against Clevland and they took out their pitcher (can't remember who) in the 7th inning when he was pitching a 5 hit shutout

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                          • **DONOTDELETE**
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Oct 2025
                            • 19598

                            #14
                            Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

                            in my first ever game i thre 7 innings with Vazquez, Kerry Wood was pulled after 5 innings of shutout ball. maybe it's just a Kerry Wood thing!?

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                            • **DONOTDELETE**
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Oct 2025
                              • 19598

                              #15
                              Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

                              in my first ever game i thre 7 innings with Vazquez, Kerry Wood was pulled after 5 innings of shutout ball. maybe it's just a Kerry Wood thing!?

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