Complaints about Pitcher's being Removed too Early

[BOBBLEHEADZ]

Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

Every game I play the cpu takes out the starter at around the 7th inning...I'd say that's about right

[BOBBLEHEADZ]

Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

Every game I play the cpu takes out the starter at around the 7th inning...I'd say that's about right

[moosereihl]

Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

you must not work the count very much. i haven't put up a lot of runs on anybody, but i haven't had a starter last past the 5th on me yet. the first sign of trouble and they're going to the pen.

[moosereihl]

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you must not work the count very much. i haven't put up a lot of runs on anybody, but i haven't had a starter last past the 5th on me yet. the first sign of trouble and they're going to the pen.

[Dealin Rams]

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Hmmm.....Just had Jarrod Washburn yanked after 7 and 1/3 with the Angels beating me 5 - 0 at Fenway. I don't get it. On the one hand, that doesn't seem so abnormal. On the other hand, all the complaints about this make me think that it might be a problem. The question is, did the AI yank Washburn because of actual strategy - i.e. he pitched a good 7 and 1/3 and they're just gonna go with the bullpen to shore up the 5-0 win?? Or is the truth of the matter that the AI takes out the SP at this time no matter what the situation?

Like I said before, I think it would be good to see if pitch count has anything to do with this. I'll start counting pitches, anyone else who wants to do this, why don't you report here. If it is pitch count related, it might also be a good test to play a game where you swing at everything. You'll get out a lot, but you'll really limit the AI pitcher's count, and hopefully the AI will then leave the pitcher in.

Other people have been guessing that maybe it's strategy related in that real-life managers don't usually let their pitchers go for a complete game during the first few weeks of the season. I don't know if this is true, but someone might want to try simming to the middle of a season and then playing a few games to test this out.

We also might want to look at endurance ratings. I don't know who they are, but we should play one game against the pitcher with the best stamina rating in the game and then compare to playing against a pitcher with a low stamina rating (trying to keep everything else as similar as possible). Do they both get yanked at the same time??

Just some suggestions, as so far this is the only real complaint I have concerning the gameplay (well, that and also that I can't get more than 3 Ks in a game - but I'm learning how to do that better.)

[Dealin Rams]

Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

Hmmm.....Just had Jarrod Washburn yanked after 7 and 1/3 with the Angels beating me 5 - 0 at Fenway. I don't get it. On the one hand, that doesn't seem so abnormal. On the other hand, all the complaints about this make me think that it might be a problem. The question is, did the AI yank Washburn because of actual strategy - i.e. he pitched a good 7 and 1/3 and they're just gonna go with the bullpen to shore up the 5-0 win?? Or is the truth of the matter that the AI takes out the SP at this time no matter what the situation?

Like I said before, I think it would be good to see if pitch count has anything to do with this. I'll start counting pitches, anyone else who wants to do this, why don't you report here. If it is pitch count related, it might also be a good test to play a game where you swing at everything. You'll get out a lot, but you'll really limit the AI pitcher's count, and hopefully the AI will then leave the pitcher in.

Other people have been guessing that maybe it's strategy related in that real-life managers don't usually let their pitchers go for a complete game during the first few weeks of the season. I don't know if this is true, but someone might want to try simming to the middle of a season and then playing a few games to test this out.

We also might want to look at endurance ratings. I don't know who they are, but we should play one game against the pitcher with the best stamina rating in the game and then compare to playing against a pitcher with a low stamina rating (trying to keep everything else as similar as possible). Do they both get yanked at the same time??

Just some suggestions, as so far this is the only real complaint I have concerning the gameplay (well, that and also that I can't get more than 3 Ks in a game - but I'm learning how to do that better.)

[JRod]

Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

I'll check that out tonight and start to count pitches.

[JRod]

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I'll check that out tonight and start to count pitches.

[moosereihl]

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they might be on a pitch count, but i don't thinl it is a realistic one. like i've said, 5 innings is about the tops anybody last against me and they are usually out sooner, even though they are still pretty effective. i work alot of counts, but i can'timagine that the count is that high.

[moosereihl]

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they might be on a pitch count, but i don't thinl it is a realistic one. like i've said, 5 innings is about the tops anybody last against me and they are usually out sooner, even though they are still pretty effective. i work alot of counts, but i can'timagine that the count is that high.

[Dick_Smalls]

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Just from a little test I ran for something else, I think I have found the pitch stamina to be directly related the Pitch meter...it seems as if you have a set amount of pitch meter 'juice' that gets drained each time you charge up a pitch. So in essence if you charge up 2 pitches HALFWAY that would equal the stamina expended on 1 pitch fully charged or at least about that. In the other test, I was able to keep a pitcher completely fresh by the 9nth inning by not putting any charge into any of the pitches. So I dont think pitch count has anything to do with stamina or fatigue but its moreso dependant on how much CHARGE you put on each pitch. In a way this works well for the game because it forces you to mix up the CHARGES on your pitches and use them wisely rather than simply 'juicing' every pitch.

As for the CPU, I would assume that it works the same way but perhaps the AI uses different rules for it's pitchers....maybe it uses a soft capped pitch count to pull a pitcher ...its hard to say because some people claim they see CPU starters go 8 and 9 innings while I and some others have only witnessed about 5 to 6 for starters....

However I do believe it might be based on the pitch Charge because I noticed that when I fully charged all my pitches, my pitcher was pretty much drained or on the edge by around the 6th inning with not much left in the tank to realistically control. So Im guessing the the CPU might simply be charging too many of his pitches and getting depeleted early.

[Dick_Smalls]

Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

Just from a little test I ran for something else, I think I have found the pitch stamina to be directly related the Pitch meter...it seems as if you have a set amount of pitch meter 'juice' that gets drained each time you charge up a pitch. So in essence if you charge up 2 pitches HALFWAY that would equal the stamina expended on 1 pitch fully charged or at least about that. In the other test, I was able to keep a pitcher completely fresh by the 9nth inning by not putting any charge into any of the pitches. So I dont think pitch count has anything to do with stamina or fatigue but its moreso dependant on how much CHARGE you put on each pitch. In a way this works well for the game because it forces you to mix up the CHARGES on your pitches and use them wisely rather than simply 'juicing' every pitch.

As for the CPU, I would assume that it works the same way but perhaps the AI uses different rules for it's pitchers....maybe it uses a soft capped pitch count to pull a pitcher ...its hard to say because some people claim they see CPU starters go 8 and 9 innings while I and some others have only witnessed about 5 to 6 for starters....

However I do believe it might be based on the pitch Charge because I noticed that when I fully charged all my pitches, my pitcher was pretty much drained or on the edge by around the 6th inning with not much left in the tank to realistically control. So Im guessing the the CPU might simply be charging too many of his pitches and getting depeleted early.

[JRod]

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Well I would guess that the stamina is based on how much you put into each pitch. Of course that's based on pitch count.

Here's my stats from two "pitching" teams...

LA Dodgers versus Arizona

Starting Pitchers: LA, O. Perez; Ari, Johnson

Pitch Count
Inning LA ARI
1 12 10
2 11 12
3 7 7
4 12 12
5 9 8
6 13* 10 *Pinch Hit for Perez
7 10* 12* *Quantrill Releiver
8 7 15/7* *Meyers in for Johnson (.2 inning)
9 10 10* *Kim in for Meyers


O. Perez 64 pitches on 6.0 innings 7 SO 0 BB
R. Johnson 86 pitches on 7.2 innings 4 SO 0 BB
Quantrill 27 pitches on 3.0 innings
Meyers 7 pitches on .1 inning
Kim 10 pitches on 1.0 inning

Final
LA 3 10 0
Ari 0 3 0

[JRod]

Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

Well I would guess that the stamina is based on how much you put into each pitch. Of course that's based on pitch count.

Here's my stats from two "pitching" teams...

LA Dodgers versus Arizona

Starting Pitchers: LA, O. Perez; Ari, Johnson

Pitch Count
Inning LA ARI
1 12 10
2 11 12
3 7 7
4 12 12
5 9 8
6 13* 10 *Pinch Hit for Perez
7 10* 12* *Quantrill Releiver
8 7 15/7* *Meyers in for Johnson (.2 inning)
9 10 10* *Kim in for Meyers


O. Perez 64 pitches on 6.0 innings 7 SO 0 BB
R. Johnson 86 pitches on 7.2 innings 4 SO 0 BB
Quantrill 27 pitches on 3.0 innings
Meyers 7 pitches on .1 inning
Kim 10 pitches on 1.0 inning

Final
LA 3 10 0
Ari 0 3 0

[Dealin Rams]

Re: Complaints about Pitcher\'s being Removed too Early

Dick_Smalls, that's an interesting idea. The question is, does a pitcher with a really good stamina rating get more "charge" than a pitcher with a lower rating?? Also, if what you say is in fact true, I still think EA should have gone with pitch counts, and somehow correlated the amount of "charge" to how many pitches the pitcher has thrown. That would be most realistic, if you ask me.

Jrod - were you Arizona or LA?? I'm hoping you were LA and that you decided to take Perez out, because otherwise the AI is questionable. 64 pitches is really very few for 6 innings pitched, so if the AI took Perez out after only 64 pitches when he was pitching a 3 hit shutout, then I'd think pitch count doesn't really have much to do with anything. 86 pitches for Johnson on 7.2 innings is also not very many, but his being taken out is less questionable because he apparently had given up about 10 hits, indicating his stuff just wasn't so great that day. So who were you controlling??