Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds.

[RandyMoss84]

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Bout time this is recognized, its ridiculous the best hitter of all time isn't on a team when his numbers speak for themselves, he should have been signed

1. he hasnt been suspended one game while countless others are being suspened and still have jobs

2. he is without question a top 50 hitter in the league

3. dont give me the BS that it brings a media circus, thats a problem with the media not barry bonds and is a whole different story

4. big leaguers have done far worse things than allegedly use illegal drugs (domestic assaults, etc.)

5. its not good for baseball to have their home run king jobless when he obviously can and wants to

[The Chef]

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Bout time this is recognized, its ridiculous the best hitter of all time isn't on a team when his numbers speak for themselves, he should have been signed

1. he hasnt been suspended one game while countless others are being suspened and still have jobs

2. he is without question a top 50 hitter in the league

3. dont give me the BS that it brings a media circus, thats a problem with the media not barry bonds and is a whole different story

4. big leaguers have done far worse things than allegedly use illegal drugs (domestic assaults, etc.)

5. its not good for baseball to have their home run king jobless when he obviously can and wants to

1. Hes too old to play the field in the NL and hes a walking headcase so no AL team wants to touch him. Players arent always passed over just because of suspensions, hes too old and has too much baggage.

2. Maybe, but so is Tony Gwynn and I dont see teams beating his door down.

3. Whether its the media or not, that media circus is a distraction for the team and Bonds has an attitude about him being bigger then the team and thats not good for the teams success.

4. He didnt allegedly use steroids, he admitted it. When are Bonds apologist going to realize this, he claimed he didnt know what it was but he did admit to using the clear and the cream. Read some facts on the story again because it seems like you are not aware of everything.

5. You really think MLB is worried about their tainted HR king not having a job? Hell, its better to not have him play and increase his HR total for MLB since it allows another player like A-Rod to catch him quicker. Im not saying its the right mentality but this makes a lot of sense for MLB and its more important to them then Bonds having a job.

[RandyMoss84]

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1. Hes too old to play the field in the NL and hes a walking headcase so no AL team wants to touch him. Players arent always passed over just because of suspensions, hes too old and has too much baggage.

2. Maybe, but so is Tony Gwynn and I dont see teams beating his door down.

3. Whether its the media or not, that media circus is a distraction for the team and Bonds has an attitude about him being bigger then the team and thats not good for the teams success.

4. He didnt allegedly use steroids, he admitted it. When are Bonds apologist going to realize this, he claimed he didnt know what it was but he did admit to using the clear and the cream. Read some facts on the story again because it seems like you are not aware of everything.

5. You really think MLB is worried about their tainted HR king not having a job? Hell, its better to not have him play and increase his HR total for MLB since it allows another player like A-Rod to catch him quicker. Im not saying its the right mentality but this makes a lot of sense for MLB and its more important to them then Bonds having a job.

all of your "reports" are all media based, ESPN can talk him down all they want just like they do every other player that doesnt give them interviews and kiss *** to them. Show me some teammates that didnt like bonds other than jeff kent.

1. There are worse fielding outfielders with a job and they dont compare to the presence Bonds has at the plate

2. Gwynn last played in 2001, Bonds was hitting 73 homers in 2001 and setting multiple MLB records. Bonds played the last year for gods sake, Tony Gwynn is no Bonds and is irrelevant talking about playing now

3. at this stage in his career bonds just wants to play baseball and win, again show me any recent teammate that talks him down

4. regardless there are multiple others than admitted to it AND were suspended for it, Bonds wasnt. they have jobs, he doesnt. Hes better than every player that got caught

5. yeah MLB should be, there are the most prestigious sport in terms of history and one lone name sits on top of that home run list and its Barry Bonds; get him on the diamonds for crying out loud

[dkgojackets]

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I dont think there was collusion, I just think that those in a position to sign him are very bad at making decisions and grossly underestimated the value he could provide at league minimum salary. I realize that there are other factors at work like the media/team chemistry/etc. and that he wouldn't fit in just any lineup, but there are several teams who could have benefitted from his presence in the batting order.

[The Chef]

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all of your "reports" are all media based, ESPN can talk him down all they want just like they do every other player that doesnt give them interviews and kiss *** to them. Show me some teammates that didnt like bonds other than jeff kent.

1. There are worse fielding outfielders with a job and they dont compare to the presence Bonds has at the plate

2. Gwynn last played in 2001, Bonds was hitting 73 homers in 2001 and setting multiple MLB records. Bonds played the last year for gods sake, Tony Gwynn is no Bonds and is irrelevant talking about playing now

3. at this stage in his career bonds just wants to play baseball and win, again show me any recent teammate that talks him down

4. regardless there are multiple others than admitted to it AND were suspended for it, Bonds wasnt. they have jobs, he doesnt. Hes better than every player that got caught

5. yeah MLB should be, there are the most prestigious sport in terms of history and one lone name sits on top of that home run list and its Barry Bonds; get him on the diamonds for crying out loud

Your never ending love for Barry Bonds and Randy Moss has to be the most annoying thing Ive seen since joining OS, but I will address your ridiculous points yet again..

1. "Worse Fielding" or not doesnt change ****, hes a club house cancer who brings constant media scrutiny with it and isnt worth the hassle. Bonds cant play the field at all, if he wants to go to the AL and DH while keeping his mouth shut then he would have had a shot but in the end the risk outweighs the reward with him.

2. No kidding, really? Bonds doesnt "deserve" to be in the NBA anymore then anyone else, no matter his history or career stats.

3. Please, Bonds has an ego bigger then anyone in baseball, he doesnt want to play to just win as you put it, he wants to play to add to his record in an attempt to make it impossible for guys like A-Rod to catch him. If you cant see that then it further illustrates my point that you are a Bonds homer and nothing more. When has Bonds ever given two ****s about his team before himself? His entire career, all the way back to college ball, has been about himself and nothing more.

4. Who cares about suspensions? Bonds wasnt suspended because it was leaked information and not a test conducted by MLB that he failed. Secondly, guys werent suspended for being named in the Mitchell report were they? MLB wasnt going to go back and suspend players for supposed steroid use years ago. Bonds admitted it, get over it, he did and no matter how many times you attempt to ignore that fact its still a fact.

5. MLB cant force a team to sign your beloved Bonds, and if teams didnt want him then what do you presume they do?

Lastly, I dont care about ESPN dogging him because of his treatment to the media, thats part of the ******* that is Bonds, he has no respect for anyone other then himself. Whether or not ESPN dogged him unfairly in your opinion, they still arent the ones passing on him and not wanting to give him a job.

[RandyMoss84]

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Your never ending love for Barry Bonds and Randy Moss has to be the most annoying thing Ive seen since joining OS, but I will address your ridiculous points yet again..

1. "Worse Fielding" or not doesnt change ****, hes a club house cancer who brings constant media scrutiny with it and isnt worth the hassle. Bonds cant play the field at all, if he wants to go to the AL and DH while keeping his mouth shut then he would have had a shot but in the end the risk outweighs the reward with him.

2. No kidding, really? Bonds doesnt "deserve" to be in the NBA anymore then anyone else, no matter his history or career stats.

3. Please, Bonds has an ego bigger then anyone in baseball, he doesnt want to play to just win as you put it, he wants to play to add to his record in an attempt to make it impossible for guys like A-Rod to catch him. If you cant see that then it further illustrates my point that you are a Bonds homer and nothing more. When has Bonds ever given two ****s about his team before himself? His entire career, all the way back to college ball, has been about himself and nothing more.

4. Who cares about suspensions? Bonds wasnt suspended because it was leaked information and not a test conducted by MLB that he failed. Secondly, guys werent suspended for being named in the Mitchell report were they? MLB wasnt going to go back and suspend players for supposed steroid use years ago. Bonds admitted it, get over it, he did and no matter how many times you attempt to ignore that fact its still a fact.

5. MLB cant force a team to sign your beloved Bonds, and if teams didnt want him then what do you presume they do?

Lastly, I dont care about ESPN dogging him because of his treatment to the media, thats part of the ******* that is Bonds, he has no respect for anyone other then himself. Whether or not ESPN dogged him unfairly in your opinion, they still arent the ones passing on him and not wanting to give him a job.

blah blah blah you can attack Bonds' character or me all you want but he is still the best home run hitter of all time. If you haven't realized it professional sports aren't about character its about talent, and Bonds has more than enough talent to deserve to play. Just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean he shouldn't be playing. Look at the numbers, they speak for themselves; even if you say "its because of the steroids" its irrelevant because 1. there wasn't any testing in place so he could have been facing juiced up pitchers for all we know 2. there wasn't any testing until now so any one of the other players on the all time HR could have been using something 3. If you're going by what Bonds' statements are then he even says he didnt know they were steroids, they were giving to him by Anderson. The playing level was even and Bonds prevailed among all of them. Even his last year of playing he lead the major leagues in OBP.

"I want to win a championship or else I want to keep trying to win a championship until there's nothing left inside me," Bonds said. "I can still play."

[The Chef]

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blah blah blah you can attack Bonds' character or me all you want but he is still the best home run hitter of all time. If you haven't realized it professional sports aren't about character its about talent, and Bonds has more than enough talent to deserve to play. Just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean he shouldn't be playing. Look at the numbers, they speak for themselves; even if you say "its because of the steroids" its irrelevant because 1. there wasn't any testing in place so he could have been facing juiced up pitchers for all we know 2. there wasn't any testing until now so any one of the other players on the all time HR could have been using something 3. If you're going by what Bonds' statements are then he even says he didnt know they were steroids, they were giving to him by Anderson. The playing level was even and Bonds prevailed among all of them. Even his last year of playing he lead the major leagues in OBP.

One word comes to mind to describe you, clueless. Bonds can say all the right things when hes sitting on his *** at his house, the proof is in his actions and his actions throughout his entire career have proven he is a selfish player who cares more about personal goals then team goals.

1. We cant base things on what you "hope" happened so you can save that image of Bonds being a hero, hes not, get over it. Using excuses that he "might" have been facing juiced up pitchers is ridiculous, there is no "might" involved with Bonds, he admitted he took steroids, end of story.

2. I dont doubt it, McGwire was on steroids, Sammy Sosa was on steroids, Palmeiro was on steroids, I have no doubts about those players. Now if you want me to believe that Hank Aaron was on roids then your more nuts then I thought. Babe Ruth was on an all you can eat diet, not a steroid diet. Willie Mays was not on steroids. You cant give the benefit of the doubt to your hero Bonds and then speculate that everyone on the HR list was on something and not give them the benefit of the doubt for the sake of your argument.

3. Yeah, and if I believe the lying idiot Marion Jones she didnt know either. When was the last time a world class athlete whose body is their meal ticket, stuck unknown substances in their body without ever asking questions? Marion Jones is telling the truth as much as Bonds is, and they're both full of ****. Bonds can cling to that garbage about not knowing but he didnt notice his head getting bigger? How about the acne problems all over his back? Both are signs of HGH use and yet this man who watches everything he eats like a supermodel on a binge and purge diet suddenly starts sticking unknown substances in his body, watches the effects take place and never once questions it? If you believe that line of **** then I got a bridge to sell you.

4. Bonds didnt play on a level playing field. For it to have been level then everyone would have had to have years of steroid and HGH abuse to catch up with your hero. You can speculate about players all you want, some are warranted and some are witch hunts on your part but the end fact of all this is, Barry Bonds took steroids, admitted to taking steroids and tried to say it was accidental or unknowingly, thats a fact.

Continue sticking up for Bonds, it wont make a difference but you dont have a clue what your talking about. At the end of the day no team is obligated to sign Bonds, its their decision and if they pass then they pass. Bonds spent 99% of his career pissing on nearly everyone around him, he went out of his way to **** on the media and then he wanted them to feel sorry for him, with his "I Give Up" bs speech after his injuries had started to catch up to him. Bonds was a legend in two places, his own mind and San Francisco so I suggest he retire to the area where he can spend the rest of his life getting patted on the back for his career accomplshments.

EDIT- Barry Bonds is not the greatest HR hitter of all time, Bonds was never a prolific HR hitter before he started hitting the juice. Hank Aaron should still be the holder of that record, and for many people he still will be.

[vernond]

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[Blzer]

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4. Bonds didnt play on a level playing field. For it to have been level then everyone would have had to have years of steroid and HGH abuse to catch up with your hero. You can speculate about players all you want, some are warranted and some are witch hunts on your part but the end fact of all this is, Barry Bonds took steroids, admitted to taking steroids and tried to say it was accidental or unknowingly, thats a fact.

I'm not defending Bonds (though I would love to, I just don't have the willpower to do so right now), I just wanted to say that the way the playing field has played against Bonds, his match was pretty even. A guy with that kind of patience at the plate is unheard of... I know if I was walked 233 times in a year (120 plus intentionally), I would grow impatient and start getting ahead of myself in the count. Players get this kind of impatience and begin to under-perform. Not to mention the 3 - 1, 2 - 0 sliders and changeups, lefty specialists, defensive wishbone shift on the right side, and the toughest ballpark to hit a home run out of right field in... I'd say whatever amount any kind of illegal substances helped him, everything fared out just a wee bit.

Again, that's not defending him, that's just making a comment. I'm not trying to argue anything at all, I just wanted to know if you agreed that this kind of special treatment against him made him less favorable to perform more greatly, steroids or not. I'm not responding to anything concerning this again... because like I said, I'm not arguing, just throwing it out there that he illegally "matched" what kinds of rough odds were going against him in the first place.

[pistoldill]

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EDIT- Barry Bonds is not the greatest HR hitter of all time, Bonds was never a prolific HR hitter before he started hitting the juice. Hank Aaron should still be the holder of that record, and for many people he still will be.

The record says he is, therefore he is.

Now go cry about it. Oh wait. You're doing an effective enough job as it is.

[The Chef]

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I'm not defending Bonds (though I would love to, I just don't have the willpower to do so right now), I just wanted to say that the way the playing field has played against Bonds, his match was pretty even. A guy with that kind of patience at the plate is unheard of... I know if I was walked 233 times in a year (120 plus intentionally), I would grow impatient and start getting ahead of myself in the count. Players get this kind of impatience and begin to under-perform. Not to mention the 3 - 1, 2 - 0 sliders and changeups, lefty specialists, defensive wishbone shift on the right side, and the toughest ballpark to hit a home run out of right field in... I'd say whatever amount any kind of illegal substances helped him, everything fared out just a wee bit.

Again, that's not defending him, that's just making a comment. I'm not trying to argue anything at all, I just wanted to know if you agreed that this kind of special treatment against him made him less favorable to perform more greatly, steroids or not. I'm not responding to anything concerning this again... because like I said, I'm not arguing, just throwing it out there that he illegally "matched" what kinds of rough odds were going against him in the first place.

I can understand what your saying but you cant be like, "Well I play in a tough park for HR's, pitchers are avoiding me like the plague so Im going to juice up." Bonds was avoided like the plague once he started hitting HR's at a record pace so he juiced up before that even happened. I dont think Bonds did anything in an attempt to even the playing field in regards to the park he was playing in, I think he took them because he saw what type of attention Sosa and McGwire were getting using the juice and wanted a piece of the pie. Im not trying to argue with you either Blzer as I respect your take on anything on these boards, my problem is more the blind love for a guy that stuffed himself so full of roids and HGH that he spent more time on the DL recently then ever in his career. If people want to give him the benefit of the doubt then so be it, but you cant then turn around and want to go on a witch hunt for everyone else like the original poster was wanting to do.

The record says he is, therefore he is.

Now go cry about it. Oh wait. You're doing an effective enough job as it is.

Get out of here with that weak garbage, go ask people who they really think is the HR leader and then come back to me. McGwire was the single season leader at one time as well, but if he hadnt been eclipsed by the roided up Bonds then I would be saying the same thing about him. Crying? Please, if Im crying because Im stating fact then I dont know what you would classify your comment as. The most irritating part of this while steroid era is that a guy like Bonds gets the benefit of the doubt from people who refuse to believe that a world class athlete wouldnt just take anything given to him because he was told to. Bonds has a huge ego, you really think someone comes along and tells him to take this pill and he just shurgs his shoulders and says sure? I dont buy it, not for one second.

[RandyMoss84]

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I can understand what your saying but you cant be like, "Well I play in a tough park for HR's, pitchers are avoiding me like the plague so Im going to juice up." Bonds was avoided like the plague once he started hitting HR's at a record pace so he juiced up before that even happened. I dont think Bonds did anything in an attempt to even the playing field in regards to the park he was playing in, I think he took them because he saw what type of attention Sosa and McGwire were getting using the juice and wanted a piece of the pie. Im not trying to argue with you either Blzer as I respect your take on anything on these boards, my problem is more the blind love for a guy that stuffed himself so full of roids and HGH that he spent more time on the DL recently then ever in his career. If people want to give him the benefit of the doubt then so be it, but you cant then turn around and want to go on a witch hunt for everyone else like the original poster was wanting to do.



Get out of here with that weak garbage, go ask people who they really think is the HR leader and then come back to me. McGwire was the single season leader at one time as well, but if he hadnt been eclipsed by the roided up Bonds then I would be saying the same thing about him. Crying? Please, if Im crying because Im stating fact then I dont know what you would classify your comment as. The most irritating part of this while steroid era is that a guy like Bonds gets the benefit of the doubt from people who refuse to believe that a world class athlete wouldnt just take anything given to him because he was told to. Bonds has a huge ego, you really think someone comes along and tells him to take this pill and he just shurgs his shoulders and says sure? I dont buy it, not for one second.

yeah exactly go ask anyone who the home run king....everyone answer should be Bonds. The numbers speak for themselves.


Again you can try to attack me and Bonds' character all you want (that seems to be all you can do.) Like I said before character doesn't mean **** in professional sports if you can back it up on the field (the exception is this year in the NFL, but that JUST started.) Bonds can play and can play with the best of them. He is on top of the record books whether you like it or not.


Yeah Hank Aaron wasn't using steroids, but who says he wasn't using something else that made him better than a lot of other players? Back in that day they didnt even think to use steroids for baseball but I'm almost 100% sure that they were using some other kind of substance to improve their game, back then a weight lifting routine would be considered a huge advantage over the majority of the players because everyone didnt know the benefits back then. Times change, I'm sure if someone came up to Aaron with a little cream and said "here rub this on you and you'll turn into the best player ever" he would do it.


Second of all steroids don't make you the best player in baseball, they might allow you to recover after working out faster and recover from injuries faster but they probably have a less than 1% effect on your talent level. Look at all the scrubs than have been caught for roids. Bonds was already arguably one of the best players in the league before he became the home run legend he is now. In 96 he was in the 40-40 club, which was a rarity back then. He was 7 (SEVEN) MVPs awards, the next person to even come close only has 3, Bonds had 4 consecutive. He had 13 consecutive seasons with 30 or more home runs. Hes a 14 time all star, 8 time gold glover.

These numbers are legendary and that doesn't even include the all time leader in HRs, Walks, Intentional Walks, and pretty much every other offensive stat you'll see Bonds in the top 5. He was the only player ever to get on base more times than he had official plate appearances.

You're foolish if you think Bonds isn't one of the greatest to ever pick up a bat

[pistoldill]

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Get out of here with that weak garbage, go ask people who they really think is the HR leader and then come back to me. McGwire was the single season leader at one time as well, but if he hadnt been eclipsed by the roided up Bonds then I would be saying the same thing about him. Crying? Please, if Im crying because Im stating fact then I dont know what you would classify your comment as. The most irritating part of this while steroid era is that a guy like Bonds gets the benefit of the doubt from people who refuse to believe that a world class athlete wouldnt just take anything given to him because he was told to. Bonds has a huge ego, you really think someone comes along and tells him to take this pill and he just shurgs his shoulders and says sure? I dont buy it, not for one second.

How about you get out of here with your irrational "GO ASK PEOPLEZ THEY KNOWZ DA TRUF" argument because it holds no water? You have no facts when you are trying to construct an argument on the grounds that "if you ask people, they will tell you blah blah blah". And as proof positive, you (like plenty other anti-Bonds people) get into the water of rhetorical argumentation as if somehow, someway, that validates your sentiment on some grand scale. Your argument unravels the second you begin speaking about what irritates you. Guess what? I don't care. And guess what? Stats don't lie. Your opinion on the personality of a person has no merit in discussing how well they can hit and field a baseball. You are using subjective elements to somehow concoct a universally accepted truth. Thats why you and people like you fail: you can sit on your hill and scream and bitch and moan, but it doesn't change the fact that, according to statistics, Barry Bonds is the most prolific home run hitter in the history of baseball. It doesn't change the fact that Barry Bonds is one of the greatest hitters in baseball.

Facts are facts, and the facts clearly place Bonds as being the best home run hitter ever. You either need to grow up and accept that fact until the record is broken, or you can continue to cow this bull**** sentimentally idiotic tripe and continue to get slapped in the face by the labor pains of the real world.

[The Chef]

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How about you get out of here with your irrational "GO ASK PEOPLEZ THEY KNOWZ DA TRUF" argument because it holds no water? You have no facts when you are trying to construct an argument on the grounds that "if you ask people, they will tell you blah blah blah". And as proof positive, you (like plenty other anti-Bonds people) get into the water of rhetorical argumentation as if somehow, someway, that validates your sentiment on some grand scale. Your argument unravels the second you begin speaking about what irritates you. Guess what? I don't care. And guess what? Stats don't lie. Your opinion on the personality of a person has no merit in discussing how well they can hit and field a baseball. You are using subjective elements to somehow concoct a universally accepted truth. Thats why you and people like you fail: you can sit on your hill and scream and bitch and moan, but it doesn't change the fact that, according to statistics, Barry Bonds is the most prolific home run hitter in the history of baseball. It doesn't change the fact that Barry Bonds is one of the greatest hitters in baseball.

Facts are facts, and the facts clearly place Bonds as being the best home run hitter ever. You either need to grow up and accept that fact until the record is broken, or you can continue to cow this bull**** sentimentally idiotic tripe and continue to get slapped in the face by the labor pains of the real world.

So, one question, do you think Bonds took steroids and HGH or not? If you think Bonds took them then how can you justify the thought that he is the best HR hitter just because the record books show he is without taking into account how he achieved some of those HR's?

[The Chef]

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yeah exactly go ask anyone who the home run king....everyone answer should be Bonds. The numbers speak for themselves.


Again you can try to attack me and Bonds' character all you want (that seems to be all you can do.) Like I said before character doesn't mean **** in professional sports if you can back it up on the field (the exception is this year in the NFL, but that JUST started.) Bonds can play and can play with the best of them. He is on top of the record books whether you like it or not.


Yeah Hank Aaron wasn't using steroids, but who says he wasn't using something else that made him better than a lot of other players? Back in that day they didnt even think to use steroids for baseball but I'm almost 100% sure that they were using some other kind of substance to improve their game, back then a weight lifting routine would be considered a huge advantage over the majority of the players because everyone didnt know the benefits back then. Times change, I'm sure if someone came up to Aaron with a little cream and said "here rub this on you and you'll turn into the best player ever" he would do it.


Second of all steroids don't make you the best player in baseball, they might allow you to recover after working out faster and recover from injuries faster but they probably have a less than 1% effect on your talent level. Look at all the scrubs than have been caught for roids. Bonds was already arguably one of the best players in the league before he became the home run legend he is now. In 96 he was in the 40-40 club, which was a rarity back then. He was 7 (SEVEN) MVPs awards, the next person to even come close only has 3, Bonds had 4 consecutive. He had 13 consecutive seasons with 30 or more home runs. Hes a 14 time all star, 8 time gold glover.

These numbers are legendary and that doesn't even include the all time leader in HRs, Walks, Intentional Walks, and pretty much every other offensive stat you'll see Bonds in the top 5. He was the only player ever to get on base more times than he had official plate appearances.

You're foolish if you think Bonds isn't one of the greatest to ever pick up a bat

Why you would assume Hank Aaron did something while avoiding what we actually know Bonds did is beyond me. Bonds was a great player before the steroids, he became a baseball God after. He became a better HR hitter as he got older, how does that sound like something achieved naturally? Bonds will and does deserve to make the HOF, first ballot or not means nothing to me, but he deserves to make it based more on his career leading up to the steroid and HGH abuse, not what he did after that.