Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds.

[pistoldill]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

So, one question, do you think Bonds took steroids and HGH or not? If you think Bonds took them then how can you justify the thought that he is the best HR hitter just because the record books show he is without taking into account how he achieved some of those HR's?

How's about this answer?

I don't give a flying **** if he did or didn't. There were hundreds of other players who took steroids during that time period. It doesn't matter. Barry Bonds is the greatest home run hitter of all time.

[RandyMoss84]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

How's about this answer?

I don't give a flying **** if he did or didn't. There were hundreds of other players who took steroids during that time period. It doesn't matter. Barry Bonds is the greatest home run hitter of all time.

exactly there was countless others that took steroids (caught or not and like it or not, a lot of players did take em) and none of them are even CLOSE to bonds in the record books

your so called argument is going in circles chef

[The Chef]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

exactly there was countless others that took steroids (caught or not and like it or not, a lot of players did take em) and none of them are even CLOSE to bonds in the record books

your so called argument is going in circles chef

Give me a break, its not going around in circles at all, your too busy trying to justify Bonds by saying everyone did it, thats the most pathetic cop out Ive ever heard. Bonds didnt just do steroids as it is, he took HGH as well, did everyone do that also I suppose? You and your "buddy" are so far off in left field you dont even know where right field is anymore. I actually attempted to move on, even though I didnt agree with a single thing the other poster said but this is getting stupid now. So now you admit he took them but you justify it with, everyone else did as well so it doesnt matter? Bonds wouldnt be the all-time leader without the help of steroids for muscle growth and recovery as well as HGH for muscle growth, nobody at his age starts having the best seasons of their career without some "help". Secondly, a man his age doesnt suddenly have his head grow, a common problem associated with HGH use, I suppose that doesnt matter either. Im glad you can completely turn a blind eye to everything or can excuse it based on the notion that everyone did it, but thats not good enough for me.

EDIT- So whats your take on Clemens? Is he the best pitcher of his era or did he accomplish it by taking steroids or HGH? Dont get hypocritical, you cant complain about Clemens if you accept Bonds.

[pistoldill]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

Give me a break, its not going around in circles at all, your too busy trying to justify Bonds by saying everyone did it, thats the most pathetic cop out Ive ever heard. Bonds didnt just do steroids as it is, he took HGH as well, did everyone do that also I suppose? You and your "buddy" are so far off in left field you dont even know where right field is anymore. I actually attempted to move on, even though I didnt agree with a single thing the other poster said but this is getting stupid now. So now you admit he took them but you justify it with, everyone else did as well so it doesnt matter? Bonds wouldnt be the all-time leader without the help of steroids for muscle growth and recovery as well as HGH for muscle growth, nobody at his age starts having the best seasons of their career without some "help". Secondly, a man his age doesnt suddenly have his head grow, a common problem associated with HGH use, I suppose that doesnt matter either. Im glad you can completely turn a blind eye to everything or can excuse it based on the notion that everyone did it, but thats not good enough for me.

EDIT- So whats your take on Clemens? Is he the best pitcher of his era or did he accomplish it by taking steroids or HGH? Dont get hypocritical, you cant complain about Clemens if you accept Bonds.

Watch out for fires.

Your arguments are made of straw.

[The Chef]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

Watch out for fires.

Your arguments are made of straw.

My arguments are made of straw yet yours are based on the fact that you "think" everyone else did them so it doesnt matter. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[pistoldill]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

My arguments are made of straw yet yours are based on the fact that you "think" everyone else did them so it doesnt matter. Hypocrisy at its finest.

No.

I said I don't give a damn if they did.

You're the little baby constantly crying about "OMG STEROIDZ BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH". Grow up and get past it. Your argument holds absolutely no water, and all you have for shelter is your ignorance.

Barry Bonds is the most prolific home run hitter ever. Stats don't lie.

[RandyMoss84]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

No.

I said I don't give a damn if they did.

You're the little baby constantly crying about "OMG STEROIDZ BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH". Grow up and get past it. Your argument holds absolutely no water, and all you have for shelter is your ignorance.

Barry Bonds is the most prolific home run hitter ever. Stats don't lie.

exactly, it doesnt matter if they did em or not, they are viewed by Major League Baseball as in the same boat and Barry Bonds happens to be at the top

[The Chef]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

No.

I said I don't give a damn if they did.

You're the little baby constantly crying about "OMG STEROIDZ BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH". Grow up and get past it. Your argument holds absolutely no water, and all you have for shelter is your ignorance.

Barry Bonds is the most prolific home run hitter ever. Stats don't lie.

It amazes me that Im the one with the weak argument yet you have no argument. So taking HGH and steroids couldnt have possibly helped him achieve those HR numbers huh? I got nothing else to say to you, you cant consistently have a debate because you constantly resort to the above referenced reply. Im crying? Again, dont you let facts get in the way of your love for another man. My shelter is my ignorance? How am I ignorant exactly? Because I dont bow down and worship a guy who abused steroids and HGH to get himself into the same record book that you cant stop swooning over? Sounds to me like you need to open your eyes to reality and come out of that fantasy world you live in.

exactly, it doesnt matter if they did em or not, they are viewed by Major League Baseball as in the same boat and Barry Bonds happens to be at the top

What is viewed at MLB as being in the same boat? Do you have some connections at the MLB offices that somehow enlightened you to this information? You and your buddy should hang out some time as you both have the most ridiculous excuses for your love for Bonds. Like the guy all you want, but dont act like steroids and HGH didnt help him, if they didnt help he wouldnt have been taking them, plain and simple.

This entire debate is now going in circles, I got one guy attempting to quote me to make me look like some uneducated idiot who talks like he doesnt know proper english and I got another guy who refuses to see anything for what it is and would rather continue his blind worshipping for a guy then see that the reason for his worship is directly related to what Im talking about. The theme in it all? Neither one of you are now addressing much of anything and instead just making excuses. RandyMoss84 never answered my question about Clemens. Neither of you have addressed the fact that if HGH and steroids didnt help then why were they using them? But you keep attempting to dismiss it without addressing it, unbelievable.

[snepp]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

This thread is dead. Conclusion? Bonds is irrelevant and no one cares about him anymore, time to move on.

[RandyMoss84]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

This thread is dead. Conclusion? Bonds is irrelevant and no one cares about him anymore, time to move on.

no no no no thats the opposite of the real conclusion

the real conclusion is COLLUSION, Bonds is relevant based on the leading the league in OBP the last season he was on a team. He still has a strong following on fans, and you can never move on when a guy wants to play, hes still good, and is on top of all the home run record books

[The Chef]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

This thread is dead. Conclusion? Bonds is irrelevant and no one cares about him anymore, time to move on.

Careful, your going to get bombarded with posts from the two Bonds supporters left as you didnt say anything complimentary about him. Collusion or no collusion, its not like an owner was going to get kicked out of the "circle" if he went ahead and signed the guy. Clearly Bonds is more of a headache then he is worth, if the Giants didnt want to resign him, and he was the only draw that team had for the last few years, then that should show you something about Bonds and the market for him.

[RandyMoss84]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

It amazes me that Im the one with the weak argument yet you have no argument. So taking HGH and steroids couldnt have possibly helped him achieve those HR numbers huh? I got nothing else to say to you, you cant consistently have a debate because you constantly resort to the above referenced reply. Im crying? Again, dont you let facts get in the way of your love for another man. My shelter is my ignorance? How am I ignorant exactly? Because I dont bow down and worship a guy who abused steroids and HGH to get himself into the same record book that you cant stop swooning over? Sounds to me like you need to open your eyes to reality and come out of that fantasy world you live in.



What is viewed at MLB as being in the same boat? Do you have some connections at the MLB offices that somehow enlightened you to this information? You and your buddy should hang out some time as you both have the most ridiculous excuses for your love for Bonds. Like the guy all you want, but dont act like steroids and HGH didnt help him, if they didnt help he wouldnt have been taking them, plain and simple.

This entire debate is now going in circles, I got one guy attempting to quote me to make me look like some uneducated idiot who talks like he doesnt know proper english and I got another guy who refuses to see anything for what it is and would rather continue his blind worshipping for a guy then see that the reason for his worship is directly related to what Im talking about. The theme in it all? Neither one of you are now addressing much of anything and instead just making excuses. RandyMoss84 never answered my question about Clemens. Neither of you have addressed the fact that if HGH and steroids didnt help then why were they using them? But you keep attempting to dismiss it without addressing it, unbelievable.

I don't like clemens but he still is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and teams still want him so I dont see how it relates to Barry Bonds not being on a team. If Clemens can play he should play, if Bonds can play he should play. Steroids didn't make em the best, they already were the best (Clemens was one of the best at what he did, Bonds was the best)

[RandyMoss84]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

Clearly Bonds is more of a headache then he is worth, if the Giants didnt want to resign him, and he was the only draw that team had for the last few years, then that should show you something about Bonds and the market for him.

the weren't contenders at the time, they need to rebuild and Bonds wasn't part of the those plans. example look at the knicks and starbury

[The Chef]

Re: Players Association says it has evidence teams acted in concert to not sign Bonds

I don't like clemens but he still is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and teams still want him so I dont see how it relates to Barry Bonds not being on a team. If Clemens can play he should play, if Bonds can play he should play. Steroids didn't make em the best, they already were the best (Clemens was one of the best at what he did, Bonds was the best)

Wow, Bonds wasnt the best in the history of the game, he was a great player but I dont rank him as the best. If so many teams wanted Clemens then why isnt he in baseball now? The Yankees are notorious for giving guys constant chances, damn near the equivelant of the Cowboys of the NFL, but yet they had no interest in Clemens either. Your completely dillusional, Clemens was a great pitcher who padded his stats at the end of his career because he used steroids, Bonds was a great player who became superhuman at the end of his career because of steroids and HGH abuse, see a trend here? You dont suddenly start turning in the best years of your entire career in your 40's, Bonds got better when everything in the world would dictate the exact opposite effect and you dont think steroids and HGH helped him achieve that? So, you think we should look at the record book, ignore how he got there and just praise the guy with zero questions for him? Thats a fantasy world you live in.

[The Chef]

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the weren't contenders at the time, they need to rebuild and Bonds wasn't part of the those plans. example look at the knicks and starbury

Marbury is out of the picture because of his attitude problems and him being a cancer around the team, not because of a lack of talent. If Marbury was void of those attitude problems and was a great teammate he would be playing, you really think the Knicks would rather have Chris Duhon running the point because they are rebuilding? Quintin Richardson starts and he aint exactly young, Jamal Crawford starts and he aint young either, your grasping at straws yet again.

Secondly, the Giants werent contenders when Bonds was on the team during the last couple of years, he was the draw that brought fans to the park. How has the attendance been in SF these days with a garbage product on the field still and no Bonds to draw them in? No team in baseball rebuilds by sending away their best players unless they are either a small market team, ie. Florida or Minnesota, or the headache provided by their best player isnt worth the price he wants to be paid, ie. Bonds.