A-Rod tested positive for 'roids in '03

[CMH]

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I heard something interesting on the radio today from a legal expert on one of the sports talk shows here in Chicago.

He proposed that rather than having an asterisk next to the modern day players names we do it to the old time player's (sometime before the 1980's) names, stating that they were accomplishing these type of stats without the cloud of steroids over their head...basically noting it was a pre-steroid era.

He went on to say that, if asterisks are put next to players names during the steroid era that most players would file suit against Cooperstown and could end up in uneeded litigation and long drawn out legal battles.

Just throwing that out there, even though its far-fetched...interesting idea though.

Problem is that players were taking steroids before 1980. Well, well before 1980.

[vernond]

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I'm confused.

Because he didn't know for sure if he passed or failed the test, that means he wasn't lying to Couric about taking steroids? That doesn't make sense.

1. He didn't know if he passed or failed. That seems to make sense since the testing was anonymous. MLB isn't going to go to the guy and say, "You failed." They weren't supposed to know.

2. He told Couric that he lied to himself about taking steroids so he was obviously going to lie to her.

Not sure how those two things are directly related at all.

Yeah, that is kind of confusing. What I was saying is that I believe he was thinking that since there was no positive test for him he could lie and not get called on it.

I don't think that there was anyway he didn't know what he was taking, I don't buy that with any of these guys. So he should if he was telling the truth said "Yes" to the question she asked about taking steroids.

Not sure, if that clears anything up. I think i'm confused now.

[vernond]

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215 to 250-260 is NOT possible without drugs when you're talking about pure muscle, fat, yes, I've done that journey, lol.

I wish I had a nickel for every time I've read/heard going back at least 20 years about such and such athlete putting on 20-30 pounds of pure muscle in the offseason, impossible without juicing. Also the bragging of such and such athlete who is down to a certain percent of body fat in his 30's. To me they were just screaming, "I'm doing steroids now!" To most people it was wow, great job, these new "training methods" are unbelievable, "guys really watch what they eat now" etc.

I'd have to disagree that you can put on 35-40 lbs of muscle over a span of 6-7 years which is what i think of when I see Mcgwire from 87 to 93 94 when he got huge. Over a single offseason, no you'd have to be on something.

[SPTO]

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Problem is that players were taking steroids before 1980. Well, well before 1980.

Yes but if memory serves it's only like a handful of guys that did it. Don't bring up amphetamines because that's not a PED. It's more of an upper then anything else. I wouldn't blame them for taking that as you're basically going out almost 162 days straight, going through different time zones and shifting from day games to night games and vice versa.

You need SOMETHING to keep your energy going and there were no energy drinks back then.

[Jet Sufferer]

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Wow, looking back at the '01 Texas roster when A-Rod claimed he started using....

- Ivan Rodriguez
- Rafael Palmeiro
- Gabe Kapler
- Ken Caminiti

That locker room was a roid factory.

Ruben Sierra and Randy Velarde were on that team too.

[totalownership]

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I don't think that there was anyway he didn't know what he was taking, I don't buy that with any of these guys.

I could buy that. I took steroids twice! Thats right, total ownership was ON THE JUICE!! Seriously it was a medical thing, nothing serious, but they gave me, what they said, was some type of steroid. But if you ask me exactly what it was I couldn't tell you. And it wasn't some shady doc or trainer, this was the V.A. Hospital so my use was on the up and up. lol

[vernond]

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I could buy that. I took steroids twice! Thats right, total ownership was ON THE JUICE!! Seriously it was a medical thing, nothing serious, but they gave me, what they said, was some type of steroid. But if you ask me exactly what it was I couldn't tell you. And it wasn't some shady doc or trainer, this was the V.A. Hospital so my use was on the up and up. lol

I bet if your body was worth 25 mill a year you could name them.

[Jet Sufferer]

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You do know he was tested numerous times since 04, including being tested in the WBC which is an International Competition & is governed by the same rules that governs the Olympics & never tested POSITIVE.

So to say he would be lying if he said he only did in 03 is an opinion

Charles Yesalis Author, Epidemiologist 1 quote

"The most rigorous drug testing systems have loopholes through which I could drive every M1 Abrams tank we own, and not scrape the body armor."

[SPTO]

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Jet Sufferer you seem well versed on this so you may know about this guy and his opinions but Dick Pound who was the head of WADA has said numerous times that he believes the IOC testing techniques and regimens is what the major professional sports need. He has suggested numerous times that WADA or even USADA take over the drug testing for these leagues with unannounced testing periods and stringent testing of individuals if they have been caught is the way to go.

He has stated numerous times that he believes a vast majority of pro athletes are on a PED of some kind or other.

So what's your opinion?

[totalownership]

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I bet if your body was worth 25 mill a year you could name them.

Not if I already signed the contract and am guaranteed that money

[Sandman42]

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I'm glad he came clean. The worst thing he could have done was pull a Bonds or Clemens and keep on denying it.

[CMH]

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Jason Grimsley and another player said they were notified they failed a test in '03. I don't know why they would be told they failed but Arod was told he might or might not have failed. Just doesn't make any sense to me.

Ah, I didn't know that. Now I see the confusion.

[aukevin]

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I dont remember if Juan Gonzalez and Jose Canseco were there in 2001. If so, you can add them to the list.

as roided up as Rangers teams have been, you would think that they would have won

lol true




John Rocker. He actually did play for the Rangers a few years ago

Gonzalez and Rocker were both Rangers in '02. Canseco's last year there was '94.

[Jet Sufferer]

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Jet Sufferer you seem well versed on this so you may know about this guy and his opinions but Dick Pound who was the head of WADA has said numerous times that he believes the IOC testing techniques and regimens is what the major professional sports need. He has suggested numerous times that WADA or even USADA take over the drug testing for these leagues with unannounced testing periods and stringent testing of individuals if they have been caught is the way to go.

He has stated numerous times that he believes a vast majority of pro athletes are on a PED of some kind or other.

So what's your opinion?

The unions have and will continue to fight against the best testing methods, which STILL can be beat, but with more effort. The best methods they have are still being beaten on a regular basis. The "testing" in major professional sports is a total joke, it's just for show. The IOC only caught Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones, etc. after BALCO got busted, not with their advanced testing methods, there you go. The testers just can't catch up with the makers, it's like a 20 year old Mike Tyson against Paris Hilton.

On one hand the major sports will trumpet their "stringent" testing methods on one hand and with the other hand quietly hire consultants to help current and former players because they know they're still using. The NFL is a drug factory, yet they get all this "credit" for being ahead of the curve with their testing, etc. It's all Public Relations, with no relation to reality.

[OSUFan_88]

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I'm glad he came clean. The worst thing he could have done was pull a Bonds or Clemens and keep on denying it.

Usually if you come clean, people will eventually forgive you.

However, in A-Rod's case, it is going to take a trade or a miracle for New Yorkers/ the New York Media to forget about it.