If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

[Brandon13]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

What? Where the hell did you get that rumor from?

That's news to me.

According to The Baseball Hall of Shame's Warped Record Book, by Bruce Nash, Allan Zullo and Bob Smith, the Bambino fell ill one year attempting to inject himself with extract from a sheep's testes. This effort by more than a few athletes of his era to seek the healing and strengthening properties of testosterone prefigured the craze for steroids.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060522/zirin

And if you search for it there are quite a few links and articles that come up.

[SPTO]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

Interesting stuff, don't know if I believe it 100% but it does cast a different light on Babe Ruth nonetheless.

[ZB9]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

How about if it's illegal to possess in the United States would you still think "oh it's a fine line"?

Just wondering.

well it's illegal to put on a helmet and hit someone in society, but it isnt illegal on a football field

no seriously, yes there is a fine line. Some drugs are available with a prescription but illegal in MLB. There are some over the counter drugs available at GNC that are now banned by MLB, but that werent banned in the 70s. So what is banned in the sport now and considered "cheating" wouldnt have been banned in the 70s.

im talking about stats and records and such, and what is considered cheating in the sport. Many drugs are banned in society because they are not healthy, but that doesnt necessarily mean that they give you more of an advantage on the baseball field than another drug that happens to be legal in society.

possession of a certain amount of certain types of amphetamines is illegal in society, but hadnt been considered "cheating" in MLB. People have been using them in baseball for quite a while.

if MLB wants to make clear what is cheating, then they need to ban it and test for it. If it's not banned in the sport, how do you say what is cheating?

[Knight165]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

Some of you guys might want to try a pair of these...
.......
...considering how far you are reaching.

They're pretty cheap!

M.K.
Knight165

[Chip Douglass]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

All professional players do SOMETHING to try and get an edge. Especially BASEBALL. the game of gamesmanship/cheating.

Let them damage thier bodies.... just enjoy the game.

Exactly.

Not to mention, the players probably didn't even view it as cheating since:

1. It's widespread.
2. They thought of it as a natural progression in workout regimens.

I've never cared about the steroids "controversy". At this point, I don't even know if I could consider it "cheating". Legalize steroids and be done with it.

[Brandon13]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

Some of you guys might want to try a pair of these...
.......
...considering how far you are reaching.

They're pretty cheap!

M.K.
Knight165

When you consider that the first admitted PED user in baseball was all the way back in 1889, it's really not a huge reach.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

That's what I'm saying.

I love baseball. I love the game. I play it. I understand it. I appreciate the art of a pitcher/batter battle. When people tell me it's boring and too long, I tell them you don't understand the pressure of a 2-1 pitch. There is drama in every pitch thrown. Everything has a potential moment bottled inside. No other game can capture that, where every facet of it is important to the overall game. So important that you can breakdown every single aspect of the sport. That's why baseball is greatest game to argue over.

No one player can ruin what that means to me. No one player makes it more special to me. I don't watch because the Yankees are playing. I don't watch because someone is about to hit their 500th career homerun. I don't even watch because someone is coming into the last game of the season with a .399 average.

I watch because I love the game.

Best post I've seen in a long while.

[totalownership]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

If you ask me doctored balls are worse than any steroid. What a pitcher can do to a ball with just a little Vaseline is insane.

[Psyblast]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

So, everybody saying "it's just a game", and "it's their bodies", etc...

Do any of you have children? If anybody here has a son, how would you feel if he got into sports, and you discovered he was taking serious, serious steroids, and when you confronted him on it, he says "But dad, Barry Bonds and A-Rod did it, and you were fine with that."

Or would that just be another case of "it's his body, let him ruin it"?

Try passing this off as no big deal to the parents who have buried children in the ground because they used performance enhancing drugs that their role models used to get ahead. Go ahead, call up or email Donald Hooton and tell him you don't think steroids matter and that this isn't an issue. I'm sure he'll agree with you once the pain of his teenage son's suicide as a result of steroid withdrawal subsides.

You can dismiss it as cheesy all you want, but this isn't about "preserving the integrity of the game." Baseball has never had integrity. This is about making sure these "role models" aren't being looked up to. If people like Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds, if they're guilty, are allowed to get away with what they've done because "it's their bodies" and "it's just a game", then we're telling all those teenagers out there that steroids are okay and they should take them.

[ZB9]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

So, everybody saying "it's just a game", and "it's their bodies", etc...

Do any of you have children? If anybody here has a son, how would you feel if he got into sports, and you discovered he was taking serious, serious steroids, and when you confronted him on it, he says "But dad, Barry Bonds and A-Rod did it, and you were fine with that."

Or would that just be another case of "it's his body, let him ruin it"?

Try passing this off as no big deal to the parents who have buried children in the ground because they used performance enhancing drugs that their role models used to get ahead. Go ahead, call up or email Donald Hooton and tell him you don't think steroids matter and that this isn't an issue. I'm sure he'll agree with you once the pain of his teenage son's suicide as a result of steroid withdrawal subsides.

You can dismiss it as cheesy all you want, but this isn't about "preserving the integrity of the game." Baseball has never had integrity. This is about making sure these "role models" aren't being looked up to. If people like Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds, if they're guilty, are allowed to get away with what they've done because "it's their bodies" and "it's just a game", then we're telling all those teenagers out there that steroids are okay and they should take them.

all of this attention and focus on steroids in the media is probably making more kids aware of it and curious about experimenting with it than ever before actually.

the government and MLB handled this entire thing completely wrong. There could have been a proper ban list formulated, with the right testing system implemented in pro baseball by MLB, and implemented by the government in all lower levels of baseball, with punishments for people that take banned substances GOING FORWARD...without this "McCarthy like" public retro witch hunt circus, cherry picking people to make examples out of when the entire league was doing it because of a lack of a clear policy and testing system.

[totalownership]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

So, everybody saying "it's just a game", and "it's their bodies", etc...

Do any of you have children? If anybody here has a son, how would you feel if he got into sports, and you discovered he was taking serious, serious steroids, and when you confronted him on it, he says "But dad, Barry Bonds and A-Rod did it, and you were fine with that."

If you ask me then that kid got more problems than that. First off kids that actual have Bonds or A-Rod as role models would be little kids. They wont be getting their hands on any roids or see a need for them at that age. Once you get out of the range of having role models you're getting close to the age of being able to getting roids and discovering what it could do for you and being able to know what's stupid and not. At that point, and in reality, you're no different than Arod. Seriously folks. Young people in their early 20's ain't really all that more mature than some 16, 17 or 18 year old. Oh they may THINK they are , and to some degree they are but NOT that much. From my point of view he was nothing but a kid.

And 200 plus million dollars in your pockets does NOT make you wise overnight. It just makes you rich overnight. If I hand a 10 year old 200 million dollars do you think I can give him the keys to the kingdom and let him run GE, Toyota or whatever? He's just a kid with a buttload of money.

[Jukeman]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

I wouldnt/dont care, it not my body nor a family member...Long as the roids dont show up in my Baseball video games, if so Ill just lower some sliders!

[GSW]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

So, everybody saying "it's just a game", and "it's their bodies", etc...

Do any of you have children? If anybody here has a son, how would you feel if he got into sports, and you discovered he was taking serious, serious steroids, and when you confronted him on it, he says "But dad, Barry Bonds and A-Rod did it, and you were fine with that."

Or would that just be another case of "it's his body, let him ruin it"?

Try passing this off as no big deal to the parents who have buried children in the ground because they used performance enhancing drugs that their role models used to get ahead. Go ahead, call up or email Donald Hooton and tell him you don't think steroids matter and that this isn't an issue. I'm sure he'll agree with you once the pain of his teenage son's suicide as a result of steroid withdrawal subsides.

You can dismiss it as cheesy all you want, but this isn't about "preserving the integrity of the game." Baseball has never had integrity. This is about making sure these "role models" aren't being looked up to. If people like Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds, if they're guilty, are allowed to get away with what they've done because "it's their bodies" and "it's just a game", then we're telling all those teenagers out there that steroids are okay and they should take them.

Psy,

Lets think about this for a minute man. And I promise you I am coming at you with the utmost humilty and respect. I am nto trying to patronize you, I am just about to say how i feel.

In all honesty bro, If my children were looking up to Barry Bonds, and Alex Rodriguez, as Role Models, or someoen to pattern thier life after. I would have to take a long look in the mirror and ask MYSELF if i am raising my child right.

There is nothing wrong with watching a professional player play the game, hell, he could be your favorite player of all time. But why would you want to be liek someone whom you dont even know?

Why would you want that for your kid?

Im all for playing sports, alloww your child to be the best player he can be, but when these kids start "looking up to" or Admiring these indiviuals. thats when it crosses the line...In my book.

I'd much rather prefer my child get to know someone for their qualities , something thats real, rather then just because they are good at a game.

I might be in the minority here.

But I tihnk we all have to look at our society as a whole when we give these athletes more control over our childs lives then we have. THAT to me is the biggest problem. Not beng worried about if your childs favorite player is on Androstine and your scared he mgiht do it to. Teach them to have a little bit more common sense then that.

Be a Parent.

And for the record I dont have children.

[pistoldill]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

So, everybody saying "it's just a game", and "it's their bodies", etc...

Do any of you have children? If anybody here has a son, how would you feel if he got into sports, and you discovered he was taking serious, serious steroids, and when you confronted him on it, he says "But dad, Barry Bonds and A-Rod did it, and you were fine with that."

Or would that just be another case of "it's his body, let him ruin it"?

Try passing this off as no big deal to the parents who have buried children in the ground because they used performance enhancing drugs that their role models used to get ahead. Go ahead, call up or email Donald Hooton and tell him you don't think steroids matter and that this isn't an issue. I'm sure he'll agree with you once the pain of his teenage son's suicide as a result of steroid withdrawal subsides.

You can dismiss it as cheesy all you want, but this isn't about "preserving the integrity of the game." Baseball has never had integrity. This is about making sure these "role models" aren't being looked up to. If people like Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds, if they're guilty, are allowed to get away with what they've done because "it's their bodies" and "it's just a game", then we're telling all those teenagers out there that steroids are okay and they should take them.

I'm sorry, a for the children argument is invalid. That's the sort of talk that censors television and media for all. That's the sort of nonsensical argument that allows a small cross section of this country enforce a could of morality on others.

[Vince]

Re: If it ever came out that Hank Aaron was roid'ed up...

LASER EYE SURGERY = CHEATING