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  • MaverickisBack
    Banned
    • Dec 2008
    • 256

    #1

    I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

    Ok...if i am to think that records or steroid users should be banned and they should be made inelliegle for the HOF...there are some other peeps who should have astericks due to competitive advantage. All the below things compromised the integrity of the game in that the quality of competition had been significantly changed compared to past generations and there peers.

    1. All players who drank alchol during prohibition should be taken out of the HOF and their records should be taken away. They played while using banned substances....sorry Ty Cobb...we all know he loved his moonshine. But he is no longer a HOF

    2. All players who played prior to Jackie Robinson. The integrity of the game is not their because they did not play against the comparable competition as today. Todays players play against ALL competition...not just a narrow feild of people.Would Ruth have hit sooo many homers if he had to face Satchel Paige regularly? All of Ruths, Hornsby, Cy Young, Cobb, Mathewsons, Gehrigs records are now obsolete

    3. All players who played while other players were at war. Once again the integrity of the quality on the feild was compromised. How can we really count the stats of any American League pitcher if htey didnt have to face Ted Williams and Joe D.

    4. All pitchers allowed to use the spitball. THe spitball gave a competitive advantage to any pitcher at the time. Just as steroids gave a competitive advantage to hitters. Just like steroids...it wasnt always banned...but can we look at those pitchers like Cy YOung the same knowing that they had an edge.

    5. Players who use tobacco. Tobacco relaxes people and therefore gives them a competive advantage. Imagine how good a closer could be if he could relax better. Foulke would still be closing. Maybe Goose Gossage wouldnt been a calm closer without chew...too bad we will never know...he legacy is forever tarnished.

    so after all these asteriks are put on the records the only people left on the records would be.....hmmm I think NOBODY

    OK when all this is taken into account I believe the new homerun leader is....Hank Aaron again followed by Mays. He is also the alltime hit leader

    The single season leader would be Roger Maris.

    The all-time BA leader is now....Tony Gwynn

    The highest single season batting average is Tony Gwynn .394

    The all time strikeout king is Nolan Ryan still
    The all time win leader is now Greg Maddux 355
    Dale Murphy is the consecutive game streak record holder over Ripken....too much tobacco for Cal

    It is no longer the Cy Young award...it would be called the Steve Carlton award

    Alfonso Soriano is the ONLY member of the 40-40 club
    Last edited by MaverickisBack; 02-10-2009, 05:04 PM.
  • kehlis
    Moderator
    • Jul 2008
    • 27738

    #2
    Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

    Originally posted by MaverickisBack
    OK when all this is taken into account I believe the new homerun leader is....Hank Aaron again followed by Mays. He is also the alltime hit leader
    I dont know about that, I read a report once that he hit at least 40 HR's because his runners mastered the art of stealing signs from the catcher and signaling them into him.

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    • Coug00
      LOB
      • Jul 2002
      • 3476

      #3
      Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

      Take Tony Gwynn off. Its obvious Twinkies gave Tony a calming effect and a competitive advantage.
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      • sask3m
        Banned
        • Sep 2002
        • 2352

        #4
        Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

        you can take greg maddux off there as well because the umps gave him an advantage with all those foot wide strikes.

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        • Scottdau
          Banned
          • Feb 2003
          • 32580

          #5
          Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

          Mays>Hank. Mays played at the Stick and before they enclosed it. It took away about 10 to 15 HR from him every year. If he played at the Launching Pad he would have about 800.

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          • MBMavs20
            Pro
            • Oct 2002
            • 939

            #6
            Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

            Not sure if you realize this, but cheating in baseball was part of the game back in the turn of the Century. I don't think most fans realize how cutthroat it was.

            A World Series share basically DOUBLED your season salary, so it was a win at all cost mentality. Spitballs were thrown, Players would throw at the batters all the time (no helmets), sliding with your spikes up to take a player out was acceptable. Oh, and gambling on the games was a huge problem. 1919 Black Sox scandal, Hal Chase, 1st baseman for the Yankees, White Sox, Reds, and Giants was banned from Baseball in 1920 for gambling and throwing games. There was even rumors in 1926-27 that the great Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker attempted to throw games.

            Some teams would cut their infield grass short to take away slow bunts, and some teams would keep the outfield grass high to slow down outfielders getting to a ball hit in the gap. Now, I realize that this type of cheating is not as big as steroids, but it's still dishonest. However, that is a topic for another day. ( Um, Bill Belicheat) :-)
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            • Kashanova
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2003
              • 12695

              #7
              Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

              Why stop there? Any player who has used Creatine your off also.

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              • DaImmaculateONe
                MVP
                • Oct 2007
                • 3540

                #8
                Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

                Didnt Coke used to use pure cocaine for there drinks back then. So anyone who ever drank a coke is out
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                • CoRruPt-
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 1279

                  #9
                  Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

                  This isn't a serious post right? How the eff does alcohol give a player a "competitive advantage". If anything alcohol lowers your ability to react and think clearly, unless you are the drunken Kung Fu master .

                  If you're serious OP, then you need to lighten up a little. Just a tad.

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                  • MaverickisBack
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 256

                    #10
                    Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

                    Originally posted by CoRruPt-
                    This isn't a serious post right? How the eff does alcohol give a player a "competitive advantage". If anything alcohol lowers your ability to react and think clearly, unless you are the drunken Kung Fu master .

                    If you're serious OP, then you need to lighten up a little. Just a tad.
                    Well, alchol is a banned substance...at least during prohibition. Mantle use to drink to deal with the pain of injury...so it has its advantages.

                    Btw...the thread is as ridicoulous as any idea to ban someone or put an asterick by any record because of competitive advantage or ban substance use

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                    • BigDofBA
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                      • Aug 2002
                      • 9066

                      #11
                      Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

                      Originally posted by MaverickisBack
                      Btw...the thread is as ridicoulous as any idea to ban someone or put an asterick by any record because of competitive advantage or ban substance use
                      Agreed.

                      These guys get paid millions to entertain. I just want to see a good product on the field.
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                      • joshuar9476
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 1880

                        #12
                        Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

                        don't forget all the pitchers that had the advantage of a higher mound or a mound that was closer to the plate ....
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                        • callmetaternuts
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 7045

                          #13
                          Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

                          This is one of those debates that wont ever be solved. Its a shame that such a great game is being marred by this.
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                          • SpacemanSpiff
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 1279

                            #14
                            Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

                            Leave the record books alone in terms of asterisks and so forth and instead put in a chapter or Appendix describing the changing rules and circumstances of every era.

                            For example, in this chapter or Appendix, make a timeline and make note of when colored players were allowed to play in the MLB, when steroid use was suspected to have started, when steroid use was banned and tested for, when the mound was raised/lowered/moved back, when spitballs and foreign substances began to be heavily enforced, when MLB started going to 5 man rotations, expansion teams, all of it.

                            So when a youngster is looking back at the stats, he has the proper context of every number and he can make the decision himself whether Ruth's numbers were more impressive than A-Rod's, Cy Young vs. Maddux, etc., based on his beliefs. Fairest way to do it, IMO.
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                            • Alliball
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 2368

                              #15
                              Re: I think all competitive advantages should be given astericks

                              This thread screams...

                              A. somebody has far too much time on their hands.

                              B. somebody needs a girlfriend.

                              C. All of the above

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