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  • TheMatrix31
    RF
    • Jul 2002
    • 52926

    #346
    Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by Sandman42
    Same thing happened to Japan. They beat Korea the 1st game, but then Korea played them again and won 1-0 and took the top seed in the pool.
    Makes no sense. They need to play each team in their group once, whoever has the best record gets the top seed, and in case of tie, you can go to other tiebreakers.

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    • Lintyfresh85
      Where have I been?
      • Jul 2002
      • 17492

      #347
      Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

      Haven't you guys ever heard of double elimination?

      It makes perfect sense.
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      • Pared
        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
        • Feb 2003
        • 39337

        #348
        Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

        It's not your regular team pool. Like lint said it's double elimination. The final game will always involve the last 2 teams to advance, regardless if they played before, to decide their seeding.
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        • jake44np
          Post Like a Champion!
          • Jul 2002
          • 9563

          #349
          Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by TheMatrix31
          Makes no sense. They need to play each team in their group once, whoever has the best record gets the top seed, and in case of tie, you can go to other tiebreakers.
          Makes perfect sense, it is a double emlimination format.
          The last two teams not to lose twice in their pool play each other for the pool champ, the last two teams automatically advance to the next round also. Really all they are playing for is seeding for the next round. No one will remember or care who won the opening pool, just who advances to the next round.
          I believe Japan got second in 2006 in their opening round pool and we all know it meant nothing as they went on to win the whole damn thing!
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          • jfrost32
            Banned
            • Nov 2006
            • 982

            #350
            Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

            ok so what makes Venezuela so special to take the top seed? so they beat USA once...ok well we beat them too so isnt it a tie? And usually dont tie breakers in pool play get looked at who scored more runs? who beat the other team worse or something? Venezuela had no right winning that pool or even playing USA again.

            Because they lost that right, when we beat them 15-5, thats how pool play works and we dont even play Italy? So in return, Venezuela got to play more games than the USA? Well how does that make sense? Rewarding teams for losing? WBC with this pool play is messed up, the World Cup would be laughing at them right now

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            • jfrost32
              Banned
              • Nov 2006
              • 982

              #351
              Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

              oh ok just thought of something...so if this is double elimination right? and who need to lose 2 games to be out of the tournament right? Well, what would have happened if the USA beat Venezuela and now Venezuela is 2-2? that means they lost twice so wouldnt they be out of the tournament already? so only the USA advances? But dont the two top seeds advance? Well someone can lose 2 games and advance because its double elimination? See where i am getting?

              The USA, should be 3-0 and have played Italy and also OUT of pool play has to lose twice, but now they only have to lose once to be out...totally unfair man, its like your punishing a team that goes undefeated and giving a team they already beat a chance to win the higher seed, umm too doesnt sound right...and i feel bad for japan too

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              • Pared
                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                • Feb 2003
                • 39337

                #352
                Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

                It's 2 games to advance and a 3rd to decide seeding. I don't think it could be any clearer than that.
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                • jake44np
                  Post Like a Champion!
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 9563

                  #353
                  Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by jfrost32
                  oh ok just thought of something...so if this is double elimination right? and who need to lose 2 games to be out of the tournament right? Well, what would have happened if the USA beat Venezuela and now Venezuela is 2-2? that means they lost twice so wouldnt they be out of the tournament already? so only the USA advances? But dont the two top seeds advance? Well someone can lose 2 games and advance because its double elimination? See where i am getting?

                  The USA, should be 3-0 and have played Italy and also OUT of pool play has to lose twice, but now they only have to lose once to be out...totally unfair man, its like your punishing a team that goes undefeated and giving a team they already beat a chance to win the higher seed, umm too doesnt sound right...and i feel bad for japan too
                  You are totally confused, the next round has nothing to do with the first round.
                  Everyone now starts over, if the US loses their first game they are not out of the tourney.
                  Again you are making this way too hard, you are confusing yourself!
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                  • jake44np
                    Post Like a Champion!
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 9563

                    #354
                    Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by jfrost32
                    ok so what makes Venezuela so special to take the top seed? so they beat USA once...ok well we beat them too so isnt it a tie? And usually dont tie breakers in pool play get looked at who scored more runs? who beat the other team worse or something? Venezuela had no right winning that pool or even playing USA again.

                    Because they lost that right, when we beat them 15-5, thats how pool play works and we dont even play Italy? So in return, Venezuela got to play more games than the USA? Well how does that make sense? Rewarding teams for losing? WBC with this pool play is messed up, the World Cup would be laughing at them right now
                    Cool your jets man!
                    You are getting fired up over nothing.
                    The 3rd game for only for seeding for the next round.
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                    • Pared
                      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 39337

                      #355
                      Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

                      I take it no one watched Cuba-Mexico?

                      Great game and set up some AWESOME games for Saturday and Sunday.

                      USA-PR

                      Japan-Cuba

                      Netherlands-Venezuela

                      Mexico-Korea

                      That's my order of importance. This round is still double elimination... so you guys prepare yourselves for some more frustration.
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                      • Eton Rifles
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                        • Feb 2003
                        • 5374

                        #356
                        Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

                        yes, basically, it's double elimination in both the first and second rounds. They decided not to use the round robin format this time. My guess is to have the best teams play twice in each group. And it looks like we will get the Cuba-Japan rematch that was asked for because Cuba won their group last night. Since the USA lost to Ven. they have to play Puerto Rico in the first game. Should be interesting to see who the Crowd cheers for.
                        Last edited by Eton Rifles; 03-13-2009, 05:16 PM.
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                        • SPTO
                          binging
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 68046

                          #357
                          Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

                          The Japan/Cuba and Netherlands/Venezuela games are my most anticipated for the weekend. I really want to see the Dutch completely shock the world and go deep in this thing.
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                          • CoRruPt-
                            MVP
                            • Jun 2005
                            • 1279

                            #358
                            Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by Eton Rifles
                            yes, basically, it's double elimination in both the first and second rounds.Thet decided not to use the round robin format this time. My guess is to have the best teams play twice in each group. And it looks like we will get the Cuba-Japan rematch that was asked for because Cuba won their group last night. Since the USA lost to Ven. they have to play Puerto Rico in the first game. Should be interesting to see who the Crowd cheers for.
                            Would not be surprised to see a bigger pro-PR crowd especially in Miami.

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                            • TheMatrix31
                              RF
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 52926

                              #359
                              Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

                              I'm pissed that I have work at 5 tonight when the US game is on.

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                              • Mr.Wednesday
                                The Magic is back
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 1927

                                #360
                                Re: World Baseball Classic '09 - Discussion Thread

                                If VEN gets of to an early lead this game is over. NED has had a hard time scoring in this tourney.

                                Edit: 1- zip

                                Hmm. NED got out of the 1st with less damage than I thought.
                                Last edited by Mr.Wednesday; 03-14-2009, 12:28 PM.
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