ALFONSO SORIANO: Is He The Most Complete Player in MLB?

**keRplunK** · 04-20-2003, 03:35 PM

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the main thing I can't believe you said is that A-rod doesn't hustle. Every game I ever saw him play in Seattle he was hustling. He is the most hustling player I have ever seen. Too be honest with you, I'm not sure where he would stack up right now. I know for a fact he has his best years ahead of him and we can accurately judge then. People really don't know if the pitching was actually better back then. Smaller ball parks and bigger players make it hard to determine. We really can't tell either way as of right now how he stacks up. When his career is over I wouldn't be surprised to see him regarded as better than all the players you have listed above. Time will tell. No need to name call. You can admit that you haven't seen A-rod play more than 2-3 times in his career.

**keRplunK** · 04-20-2003, 03:35 PM

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the main thing I can't believe you said is that A-rod doesn't hustle. Every game I ever saw him play in Seattle he was hustling. He is the most hustling player I have ever seen. Too be honest with you, I'm not sure where he would stack up right now. I know for a fact he has his best years ahead of him and we can accurately judge then. People really don't know if the pitching was actually better back then. Smaller ball parks and bigger players make it hard to determine. We really can't tell either way as of right now how he stacks up. When his career is over I wouldn't be surprised to see him regarded as better than all the players you have listed above. Time will tell. No need to name call. You can admit that you haven't seen A-rod play more than 2-3 times in his career.

**bkrich83** · 04-20-2003, 03:46 PM

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Listen you little prick

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Nice. Someone doesnt agree with you and you call him names. I love Soriano, myself, but he's no where near the player AROD is. I've seen him live a ton, and always seen him hustle out of the box. Why run alot when Juan Gone and Palmero are behind you. Why take a chance and run yourself out of an inning. It's apparent you have some sort of agenda against Arod, and you abusive behavior as well as your Yankee fan like feeling that you know more than everyone else about baseball, despite the fact that you can't actually back any of your theories is starting to get annoying.. Have fun on your impending timeout.

**bkrich83** · 04-20-2003, 03:46 PM

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Listen you little prick

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Nice. Someone doesnt agree with you and you call him names. I love Soriano, myself, but he's no where near the player AROD is. I've seen him live a ton, and always seen him hustle out of the box. Why run alot when Juan Gone and Palmero are behind you. Why take a chance and run yourself out of an inning. It's apparent you have some sort of agenda against Arod, and you abusive behavior as well as your Yankee fan like feeling that you know more than everyone else about baseball, despite the fact that you can't actually back any of your theories is starting to get annoying.. Have fun on your impending timeout.

**NYJets** · 04-20-2003, 04:36 PM

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I'm not sure where this theory that Arod doesn't steal so he can stay fresh to break a record is coming from. That just makes no sense. Running an extra 90 feet every couple games isn't gonna jeprodize his career. A more likely reason is that when you have an offense full of homerun hitters like that, you don't want to run yourself out of innings.

**NYJets** · 04-20-2003, 04:36 PM

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I'm not sure where this theory that Arod doesn't steal so he can stay fresh to break a record is coming from. That just makes no sense. Running an extra 90 feet every couple games isn't gonna jeprodize his career. A more likely reason is that when you have an offense full of homerun hitters like that, you don't want to run yourself out of innings.

**DONOTDELETE** · 04-20-2003, 05:01 PM

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this is a LONG thread, and i'm lazy, so i didn't read it all. not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but the most complete player in baseball is Vladimir Guerrero, not ARod or Soriano.
Vlad is king!

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It's posts like this that prove my point that Canadians should stick to talking about hockey.

Vlad is the man though.

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I'm serious, put Vlad in ARod's place in Texas' lineup and he'll give you the same numbers, but with a higher batting average and he'll throw in 40 steals for good measure.

**DONOTDELETE** · 04-20-2003, 05:01 PM

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this is a LONG thread, and i'm lazy, so i didn't read it all. not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but the most complete player in baseball is Vladimir Guerrero, not ARod or Soriano.
Vlad is king!

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It's posts like this that prove my point that Canadians should stick to talking about hockey.

Vlad is the man though.

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I'm serious, put Vlad in ARod's place in Texas' lineup and he'll give you the same numbers, but with a higher batting average and he'll throw in 40 steals for good measure.

**keRplunK** · 04-20-2003, 08:11 PM

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ya, but does he play gold glove defense at short stop? Its much easier to find a 40+ home run hitting Outfielder, than a 50+ home run hitting Shortstop.

**keRplunK** · 04-20-2003, 08:11 PM

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ya, but does he play gold glove defense at short stop? Its much easier to find a 40+ home run hitting Outfielder, than a 50+ home run hitting Shortstop.

**keRplunK** · 04-20-2003, 08:16 PM

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I'm not sure where this theory that Arod doesn't steal so he can stay fresh to break a record is coming from. That just makes no sense. Running an extra 90 feet every couple games isn't gonna jeprodize his career. A more likely reason is that when you have an offense full of homerun hitters like that, you don't want to run yourself out of innings.

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It's just a theory. The reason I'm leaning towards it is in Seattle there were plenty of home run hitters and he still took off. He stole to 46 bases in 1998, I'm pretty sure Seattle hit the most home runs that year. Also in 2000 his last year in Seattle, their weren't very many home run hitters, and he only stole 15. Big guys who steal 40 bases DO put them selves at risk. Of course playing in Texas with Palmerio and Gonzalez doesn't help either, just a theory.

**keRplunK** · 04-20-2003, 08:16 PM

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I'm not sure where this theory that Arod doesn't steal so he can stay fresh to break a record is coming from. That just makes no sense. Running an extra 90 feet every couple games isn't gonna jeprodize his career. A more likely reason is that when you have an offense full of homerun hitters like that, you don't want to run yourself out of innings.

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It's just a theory. The reason I'm leaning towards it is in Seattle there were plenty of home run hitters and he still took off. He stole to 46 bases in 1998, I'm pretty sure Seattle hit the most home runs that year. Also in 2000 his last year in Seattle, their weren't very many home run hitters, and he only stole 15. Big guys who steal 40 bases DO put them selves at risk. Of course playing in Texas with Palmerio and Gonzalez doesn't help either, just a theory.

**Cincinnati_Kid** · 04-21-2003, 02:40 AM

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please dont ever compare AROD to the Mick. Thats like comparing soccer with football. Sure they are both great, but in no comparison. Mickey was faster, with no knees at that, he was stronger, and he made better decisions on the field.

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i take it you think A-Rod is comparable to Mickey Mantle? hell why dont we just compare him to Ruth, and Cobb while we're at it. Not to take anything away from A-Rod, but he is only great compared to the players of today, and in 20 years, he'll be like Robin Yount, and Ryan Sandberg, they were great for their times, but have no comparison to guys like Mantle, Williams, Dimaggio, etc. etc. etc.

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Too early for me to say. THeir numbers are comparable at this point, and AROD is as good a defensive player as there is. I was actually scoffing at your notion that Mantle was faster and made better decisions in the field. As this is something you can't really prove.

I'd argue this point with you more, if I thought you knew anything about baseball. But going on your past posts your just another homer Yankee fan who thinks he knows much more than he does.

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LOL...i had moved on and forgot all about this post

then noticed all this stuff

funny how that happens...either way BK pretty much spoke my mind here and in other post

paulywerner.....mantle n ARODS numbers happen to be very comparable at ages 24 through 26

im not in the mood to break down numbers right now but if need be i shall return to do it later

but for the last couple of years of ARODS career those comparisons are very favorable

being from NY you may have taken this out of context a bit...as im using numbers for specific years

and i give mickey mantle all the respect in the world as he definatley ranks somewhere between 12th-15th all time baseball player (non pitcher)......AROD definatley has his work cut out for him to reach that list.......

being a reds fan i might have to look twice if someone compared soriano to say joe morgan......and i also think soriano is one hell of a talent and actually i quite enjoy watching him play.......but i have to call a spade a spade and he is only just getting started how ever hot that start might be

but then again just like with the MICK & AROD the day may come when those comparisons are feesable

as for the arguement AROD would be a 6th or 7th hitter on yanks great teams or reds great teams or whoever

my opinion has always been a GREAT PLAYER is a GREAT PLAYER no matter what era he was in....

**Cincinnati_Kid** · 04-21-2003, 02:40 AM

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please dont ever compare AROD to the Mick. Thats like comparing soccer with football. Sure they are both great, but in no comparison. Mickey was faster, with no knees at that, he was stronger, and he made better decisions on the field.

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i take it you think A-Rod is comparable to Mickey Mantle? hell why dont we just compare him to Ruth, and Cobb while we're at it. Not to take anything away from A-Rod, but he is only great compared to the players of today, and in 20 years, he'll be like Robin Yount, and Ryan Sandberg, they were great for their times, but have no comparison to guys like Mantle, Williams, Dimaggio, etc. etc. etc.

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Too early for me to say. THeir numbers are comparable at this point, and AROD is as good a defensive player as there is. I was actually scoffing at your notion that Mantle was faster and made better decisions in the field. As this is something you can't really prove.

I'd argue this point with you more, if I thought you knew anything about baseball. But going on your past posts your just another homer Yankee fan who thinks he knows much more than he does.

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LOL...i had moved on and forgot all about this post

then noticed all this stuff

funny how that happens...either way BK pretty much spoke my mind here and in other post

paulywerner.....mantle n ARODS numbers happen to be very comparable at ages 24 through 26

im not in the mood to break down numbers right now but if need be i shall return to do it later

but for the last couple of years of ARODS career those comparisons are very favorable

being from NY you may have taken this out of context a bit...as im using numbers for specific years

and i give mickey mantle all the respect in the world as he definatley ranks somewhere between 12th-15th all time baseball player (non pitcher)......AROD definatley has his work cut out for him to reach that list.......

being a reds fan i might have to look twice if someone compared soriano to say joe morgan......and i also think soriano is one hell of a talent and actually i quite enjoy watching him play.......but i have to call a spade a spade and he is only just getting started how ever hot that start might be

but then again just like with the MICK & AROD the day may come when those comparisons are feesable

as for the arguement AROD would be a 6th or 7th hitter on yanks great teams or reds great teams or whoever

my opinion has always been a GREAT PLAYER is a GREAT PLAYER no matter what era he was in....

**keRplunK** · 04-21-2003, 02:58 AM

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Wow, I actually went back a few pages and read what Pauly was saying earlier. This guy is pretty funny. A biased Yankee fan can make a thread become very very long......

ALFONSO SORIANO: Is He The Most Complete Player in MLB?

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