How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

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  • Autoproxy
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    • Feb 2003
    • 371

    #16
    Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

    Bonds was great when he was with the Pirates...his last two years he was MVP and came in second (to Terry Pendleton, but he should have won). That's greatness. He was great based on natural ability, and the fact that he (like Griffey Junior) was destined to be a baseball player and was around it all of his life and made it his focus from a young age. Think he spent time giving a damn about algebra? Not even an option...he knew he was going to be a baseball player and could put the time in.

    As for how he got to be a phenomenal player...I agree with smaller parks and perhaps weaker pitching.

    As for how he got to be so big compared to how he used to be...human growth hormone. It aids in the maturation of the body, and when your body has too much of it, it develops too much. An extreme case of this is Andre the Giant (of WWF fame) who was a man-beast and who had a disorder that caused his body to produce too much human growth hormone. Common visible effects of having too much of the hormone is an increase in forehead size and chin size (again, think of the extreme case of Andre). Now...doesn't Barry seem to have a larger forehead and chin than he did a decade ago? Yeah...that's what I thought...

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    • Autoproxy
      Rookie
      • Feb 2003
      • 371

      #17
      Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

      Bonds was great when he was with the Pirates...his last two years he was MVP and came in second (to Terry Pendleton, but he should have won). That's greatness. He was great based on natural ability, and the fact that he (like Griffey Junior) was destined to be a baseball player and was around it all of his life and made it his focus from a young age. Think he spent time giving a damn about algebra? Not even an option...he knew he was going to be a baseball player and could put the time in.

      As for how he got to be a phenomenal player...I agree with smaller parks and perhaps weaker pitching.

      As for how he got to be so big compared to how he used to be...human growth hormone. It aids in the maturation of the body, and when your body has too much of it, it develops too much. An extreme case of this is Andre the Giant (of WWF fame) who was a man-beast and who had a disorder that caused his body to produce too much human growth hormone. Common visible effects of having too much of the hormone is an increase in forehead size and chin size (again, think of the extreme case of Andre). Now...doesn't Barry seem to have a larger forehead and chin than he did a decade ago? Yeah...that's what I thought...

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      • Recon
        Rookie
        • Apr 2003
        • 480

        #18
        Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

        Guys i'm not trying to take anything away from Bonds, yes he has always been a great player, but now he seams to be unhuman.
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        • Recon
          Rookie
          • Apr 2003
          • 480

          #19
          Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

          Guys i'm not trying to take anything away from Bonds, yes he has always been a great player, but now he seams to be unhuman.
          "Chris SABO is my HERO!!"

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          • Heelfan71
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jul 2002
            • 19940

            #20
            Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

            Steroids can't make you hit a 95mph fast ball.
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            • Heelfan71
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jul 2002
              • 19940

              #21
              Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

              Steroids can't make you hit a 95mph fast ball.
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              • LetsGoPitt
                Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                • Jul 2002
                • 5673

                #22
                Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

                I don't think it really had much to do with moving to San Fran because he played there for quite a while before becoming the force he is now. Steroids and other drugs/training/etc aside, consider these also:

                1. The Giants no longer play in Candlestick
                2. The majority of stadiums have gotten smaller
                3. Less pitching talent
                4. Crowding the plate + body armor

                These, plus some big-time strengthening (however he's done it).
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                • LetsGoPitt
                  Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 5673

                  #23
                  Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

                  I don't think it really had much to do with moving to San Fran because he played there for quite a while before becoming the force he is now. Steroids and other drugs/training/etc aside, consider these also:

                  1. The Giants no longer play in Candlestick
                  2. The majority of stadiums have gotten smaller
                  3. Less pitching talent
                  4. Crowding the plate + body armor

                  These, plus some big-time strengthening (however he's done it).
                  “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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                  • avh00a
                    Pro
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 761

                    #24
                    Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

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                    Steroids can't make you hit a 95mph fast ball.

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                    Heel, I hate to disagree, but roids can definately help your bat speed, giving you a few extra miliseconds that let you see the ball longer.

                    You can't tell me that roids don't help your hitting. Sorry but you are totally wrong on this one.

                    I'm not saying that he is neccesarily on roids, but if he were it would definately help.

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                    • avh00a
                      Pro
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 761

                      #25
                      Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

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                      Steroids can't make you hit a 95mph fast ball.

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                      Heel, I hate to disagree, but roids can definately help your bat speed, giving you a few extra miliseconds that let you see the ball longer.

                      You can't tell me that roids don't help your hitting. Sorry but you are totally wrong on this one.

                      I'm not saying that he is neccesarily on roids, but if he were it would definately help.

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                      • MuffinMcFluffin
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 4215

                        #26
                        Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

                        He is not using steroids. He is on a medication known as Creatine. It will not improve your swing, speed, throwing arm, etc. It will help you perform better while working out. It's endurance medicine. Bonds has one of the best swings in baseball, so without Creatine he will be just as good... so yeah.

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                        • MuffinMcFluffin
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 4215

                          #27
                          Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

                          He is not using steroids. He is on a medication known as Creatine. It will not improve your swing, speed, throwing arm, etc. It will help you perform better while working out. It's endurance medicine. Bonds has one of the best swings in baseball, so without Creatine he will be just as good... so yeah.

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                          • Mr_October
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 1618

                            #28
                            Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

                            Well he's been playing for something like 15 years. Look back at his stats and he's always hit almost 20+ HR's a season... Even when he was in Pittsburgh.
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                            • Mr_October
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 1618

                              #29
                              Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

                              Well he's been playing for something like 15 years. Look back at his stats and he's always hit almost 20+ HR's a season... Even when he was in Pittsburgh.
                              Kansas City Royals MVP 2005 Dynasty... The Climb To The Top.

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                              • snepp
                                We'll waste him too.
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 10007

                                #30
                                Re: How did Barry Bonds get so great so fast?

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                                Steroids can't make you hit a 95mph fast ball.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                Heel, I hate to disagree, but roids can definately help your bat speed, giving you a few extra miliseconds that let you see the ball longer.

                                You can't tell me that roids don't help your hitting. Sorry but you are totally wrong on this one.

                                I'm not saying that he is neccesarily on roids, but if he were it would definately help.

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                                No, you are wrong, sorry. Roids will NOT help you hit a fastball, or any pitch for that matter. If you have ever played baseball at any level you would already know this....

                                The best hitters in baseball history have never used any type of "roid", and more than likely never used any type of supplement.

                                Tony Gwynn compiled a .338 batting average for his career. He will be remembered as one of the greatest pure hitters ever. I guarantee you he didn't use any roids. Ted Williams didn't use roids, Mickey Mantle didn't use them, Hank Aaron didn't, Cal Ripken didn't, Kirby Puckett didn't (.318 career avg), and Wade Boggs didn't.....how many do you want me to mention?

                                Jose Canseco used roids and they didn't do him a whole lot of good, he was a better player before he turned into a muscle-bound bohemoth. He hit for @$%&amp; for most of his career. Ken Caminiti also did pidly-poo for most of his career with the exception of a few seasons.

                                Your argument is about null and void at this point.

                                good luck
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