5/11-5/17 MLB Discussion

[Lintyfresh85]

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Pretty sure the Nats bullpen is all a big elaborate prank. No way they are THIS bad.

[Blzer]

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Well, seeing it on Gameday was glorious enough for me, but the Giants were down to their last strike when Sandoval blasted a walk-off for them to take over Washington for their tenth consecutive time with the final score of 9 - 7.

What a great game to fall asleep to!

[JBH3]

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I hope he proves me wrong, but Kershaw just is not ready to be a pitcher at the major league level.

He's proving you right after last nights performance. He walks too many batters, but he does have major league stuff. Just not major league control. :wink:

Way to go Phils. Now do it two more times.

[Skerik]

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J-DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUB.

First MLB player to steal his way completely around the bases, including home, since Eric Young did it in 1996.

[Coug00]

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Adam Jones hit two HRs tonight. First time in his career.

Thanks, Bill, for Jones (and everyone else).

There have been some brutal trades in the history of Mariner baseball, but nothing as bad as that trade.

[cake612]

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There have been some brutal trades in the history of Mariner baseball, but nothing as bad as that trade.

Jones is off to a good start but I wouldn't be so quick to call the trade a disaster yet. You are talking about the team that traded D-lowe and Varitek to the sox for heathclif slocumb. Jones was pretty bad last year and still strikes out a lot and doesn't walk very much. It looks like he's turning it around this year but I don't think he'll ever be a superstar. Sherrill is a good closer but nothing special, although Tillman looks like he could be a solid starter but he's still a ways away from contributing. Keep in mind you got Bedard who's having a very solid season so far and has a pretty good track record.

[sbauer318]

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It looks like he's turning it around this year but I don't think he'll ever be a superstar.

Why do you think this?

Sherrill is a good closer but nothing special

He's average. If he were on any other team he would be a LOOGY. Righties are killing the guy.

although Tillman looks like he could be a solid starter but he's still a ways away from contributing.

Many sources have indicated that he may make his debut sometime after June 1st.

AAA this year: 2.03 ERA. 10.74 SO/9.
His start last night: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 10 K

Oh and he's 21 years old.

Keep in mind you got Bedard who's having a very solid season so far and has a pretty good track record.

Who cares though? You don't give up top prospects to acquire a pitcher so that he can have a very good season for you. They were going for it all last year. We all know how that went. Unless they compete this year and make a run, it will be considered a failure. If they think they're out of it close to the deadline, maybe they can get something for his good season.

[JBH3]

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J-DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUB.

First MLB player to steal his way completely around the bases, including home, since Eric Young did it in 1996.

Yea that was absolutely amazing. I was looking on my ESPN MVP app on my phone, checking boxscores, and saw Werth - 4 SBs. I was like huh......then I saw the highlights....

[JBH3]

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Jones is off to a good start but I wouldn't be so quick to call the trade a disaster yet. You are talking about the team that traded D-lowe and Varitek to the sox for heathclif slocumb. Jones was pretty bad last year and still strikes out a lot and doesn't walk very much. It looks like he's turning it around this year but I don't think he'll ever be a superstar. Sherrill is a good closer but nothing special, although Tillman looks like he could be a solid starter but he's still a ways away from contributing. Keep in mind you got Bedard who's having a very solid season so far and has a pretty good track record.

Many project Adam Jones as an Alfonso Soriano type player w/ a better contact rate. He's struck out 25 times to 10 BBs so that DOES need some improvement, but my goodness he's hitting .363 w/ 8 dingers and what should be 4 SBs - if anyone saw that grossly blown call in one of the Stankee's games last week.

I think you're undervaluing him a little bit.

[JBH3]

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He's proving you right after last nights performance. He walks too many batters, but he does have major league stuff. Just not major league control. :wink:

Way to go Phils. Now do it two more times.

I love what Manuel had to say about it too....

"I guess he was feeling frisky or had a lot of energy," manager Charlie Manuel said. "He wanted to run."

That tells me he has the utmost confidence in his players, and allows them to make desicions instead of micro-mananging them.

And if they screw up in a key situation you know he's going to hold them accountable, and question their decision making...but at least he lets them play w/ confidence and allows them to sink or swim.

He's a great manager.

[SPTO]

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Since Adam Jones came up does anyone else facetiously calls him Pac-Man Jones like I do from time to time?

[Coug00]

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Many project Adam Jones as an Alfonso Soriano type player w/ a better contact rate. He's struck out 25 times to 10 BBs so that DOES need some improvement, but my goodness he's hitting .363 w/ 8 dingers and what should be 4 SBs - if anyone saw that grossly blown call in one of the Stankee's games last week.

I think you're undervaluing him a little bit.

Agreed. And even though he's had a bumpy start to the season in the field, he's quality defensively. I think that trade, specifically Jones and Tillman, are going to haunt the M's for a few years. Especially considering the M's are in a tough predicament with Bedard. Trade him or keep him? He's worth more value trading him now, but in doing so you give up on 2009. He won't be a Type A FA, so they'll only get 1 comp pick if they keep him and that's only if he stays healthy (right!). Bavasi f'd the M's with that trade.

W/o knowing how things are going to pan out over the next 5-10 years, at this point I'd put this trade above the Kevin Mitchell, Lowe/Varitek/Slocumb, David Ortiz for Dave Hollins, and Tino/Nellie for Davis/Hitchcock trades.

[cake612]

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I'm just saying you guys seem pretty quick to jump to conclusions after one good month for Jones. Bedard struck out 220 in 180 innings 2 years ago. Just because he got hurt last year doesn't mean he's a scrub. Jones and Tillman could very pan out and be stars but young players take a long time to develop, one good month in the majors and at triple A doesn't make this the worst trade ever.

[sbauer318]

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I'm just saying you guys seem pretty quick to jump to conclusions after one good month for Jones. Bedard struck out 220 in 180 innings 2 years ago. Just because he got hurt last year doesn't mean he's a scrub. Jones and Tillman could very pan out and be stars but young players take a long time to develop, one good month in the majors and at triple A doesn't make this the worst trade ever.

Nobody is saying he's a scrub. The point is, they gave up a few prospects for a pitcher to help a playoff push that never actually happened. As it turned out, they weren't just a solid pitcher short. I don't know how Seattle fans feel about it, but, for me, that's the hardest part to swallow. His injuries made it worse.

[Coug00]

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Nobody is saying he's a scrub. The point is, they gave up a few prospects for a pitcher to help a playoff push that never actually happened. As it turned out, they weren't just a solid pitcher short. I don't know how Seattle fans feel about it, but, for me, that's the hardest part to swallow. His injuries made it worse.

Yes, you've nailed it. They mortgaged their future for a trade that was a minimal improvement in the W column, even if Bedard was healthy. The M's went all in (on a pitcher with a storied history of injury problems), that is something they never did with any of their other trades. And now they're either going to lose Bedard to FA or trade him before the deadline for about 1/3 the value they acquired him for.

The Mariners future would look a whole lot brighter if their outfield consisted of Jones, Gutierrez, and Ichiro. And had Butler pitching for Tacoma. Instead, its going to take them an additional 4-5 years to make up the potential that was lost in that trade.

Injuries could strike Jones, Sherrill, and Tillman, but right now, without knowing if something catastrophic is going to happen to any of the Baltimore guys, this is looking like the worst trade in Seattle history.