Joe Morgan at his best

[mgoblue678]

Re: Joe Morgan at his best

^^^So there numbers aren't comparable to many middle infielders in the HOF? Please show me the evidence that disputes that claim, I would like to see it.

If you don't think they have any case at all to be in the HOF your flat out wrong.

I wasn't even born yet for the most of the time that Trammel and Whitaker were playing so you can cut thee homer crap out as well. They were not part of the Tiger teams I have cheered for.

[snepp]

Re: Joe Morgan at his best

That's one hell of a strawman you just knocked over.

No one has said Whitaker and Trammell don't have a HoF case. The problem is with the ridiculous opinion that they're in Morgan's class, or that Morgan "only had a couple good seasons."

[NYJets]

Re: Joe Morgan at his best

^^^So there numbers aren't comparable to many middle infielders in the HOF? Please show me the evidence that disputes that claim, I would like to see it.

If you don't think they have any case at all to be in the HOF your flat out wrong.

I wasn't even born yet for the most of the time that Trammel and Whitaker were playing so you can cut thee homer crap out as well. They were not part of the Tiger teams I have cheered for.

OMG NO ONE HAS SAID THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A CASE TO BE IN THE HALL OF FAME!!!!!

YOU and the other guy said they should be in because they have as good or better numbers than Joe Morgan, which is absolutely crazy and makes you both huge homers.

I mean, DrJones summed up everyone's point pretty nicely, don't know why you keep arguing something that no one is arguing.

There are definitely worthy arguments to be made for Trammell and Whitaker as Hall of Famers. Claiming that they were as good as Joe Morgan is not one of them.

Edit: snepp beat me

[snepp]

Re: Joe Morgan at his best

Edit: snepp beat me

Some things bear repeating.

[mgoblue678]

Re: Joe Morgan at his best

You want to find where I said they had better numbers than Joe Morgan or that Joe Morgan doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. All I agreed with Fist on was that they have very good cases to be in the HOF based on having numbers similar to other HOF middle infielders.

And I responded to JBH because he claimed I sayed they should be in over Morgan. That is simply not true.

[snepp]

Re: Joe Morgan at his best

So you didn't completely agree with Fist, proclaim Morgan only had "two great years" and then try to argue that Whitaker and Trammell were in some way better because of their batting average?

Must have been someone else posting on your account.

[mgoblue678]

Re: Joe Morgan at his best

^^^I said that some of their stats were comparable to Morgan like in the case of career batting average, hits, rbi's, hr's. I never claimed as a whole their stats were better, but keep believing I said that. Stolen bases, OPS an on base % are all in Morgan's favor by a good margin.

I guess we look at at what you would consider "great seasons" differently. When I look at his year by year stats I see alot of good to very good seasons with high on base and OPS numbers but only two really jump out at me as a whole. His batting average, hr's and rbi numbers in those two years are what I would consider "great."

Seems to me your using only OPS and on-base percentage to determine a great season or not. I believe those two stats are important but to me to have a truely great season your ba, hr and rbi's must also be at that level as well.

I was more agreeing with Fists second post about those three guys belonging in the Hall of Fame, not when he said Morgan doesn't belong in. I don't agree with that at all.

I think we need to get this thread back on track anyways, this was about Joe Morgan the broadcaster not the player. He is a HOF player but he is a Hall of Shame announcer.

[DrJones]

Re: Joe Morgan at his best

He is a HOF player but he is a Hall of Shame announcer.

I think we can all agree on this.

[daflyboys]

Re: Joe Morgan at his best

Joe just insinuated on the Phils/Braves broadcast tonight that his suggestion last year helped both Rollins and Victorino out of hitting slumps. Together. At the same time. Simultaneously. All at once.

[bsb13]

Re: Joe Morgan at his best

Joe just insinuated on the Phils/Braves broadcast tonight that his suggestion last year helped both Rollins and Victorino out of hitting slumps. Together. At the same time. Simultaneously. All at once.

lol, I heard that as well. I think the world would stop spinning without Joe.

[CMH]

Re: Joe Morgan at his best

Wait, wait. His suggestion last year? Last year?

So, what happened in the first half of this year?

Joe Morgan is senile, man. He is completely senile. I really want to know how the casual fan can stomach him. I'd like to know how ESPN hasn't noticed how horrible he is.

He did have a good breakdown of Utley's and Howard's swing last night. I thought that was very good and very informative. It's a clear example of what Morgan can do right. He knows how to play the game and he should really focus on that strength. When he starts talking about character, the environment, intangibles, his amazing ability, all that nonsense, he is only showcasing his idiocy.