Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

**kweiss** · 06-16-2003, 06:08 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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However, what is the next thing you think about after the pitching?

Clemens - throwing bat at Piazza
Ryan - beating the crap out of Robin Ventura

It's a tossup!

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I think Nolan Ryan gets the edge on that one.

**taylor34** · 06-16-2003, 10:11 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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**CLEMENS HAD A BETTER STRIKEOUT/PER INNINGS PITCHED RATIO THAN NOLAN RYAN**

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-IP
Clemens 4156.1 vs. Ryan 5286.0

-Strike Outs
Clemens 4,006 vs. Ryan 5,714

Lol, you said the top statement, but gave stats that said otherwise. Clemens had less than a K per inning, while Ryan had about 1.1 K's per inning.

Taylor34

**taylor34** · 06-16-2003, 10:11 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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**CLEMENS HAD A BETTER STRIKEOUT/PER INNINGS PITCHED RATIO THAN NOLAN RYAN**

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-IP
Clemens 4156.1 vs. Ryan 5286.0

-Strike Outs
Clemens 4,006 vs. Ryan 5,714

Lol, you said the top statement, but gave stats that said otherwise. Clemens had less than a K per inning, while Ryan had about 1.1 K's per inning.

Taylor34

**taylor34** · 06-16-2003, 10:11 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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**CLEMENS HAD A BETTER STRIKEOUT/PER INNINGS PITCHED RATIO THAN NOLAN RYAN**

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-IP
Clemens 4156.1 vs. Ryan 5286.0

-Strike Outs
Clemens 4,006 vs. Ryan 5,714

Lol, you said the top statement, but gave stats that said otherwise. Clemens had less than a K per inning, while Ryan had about 1.1 K's per inning.

Taylor34

**kweiss** · 06-16-2003, 11:53 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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I was reading recently that Roger said he never thought he'd get a no-hitter because he threw too many strikes. Judging by some of Nolan's 200 BB seasons (Jesus!) no wonder he threw so many no-hitters...

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To me that just sounds like he is making excuses. To say that is the reason you never threw a no-hitter is stupid. What about the pitchers that pitch perfect games? When they are pitching they're throwing nothing but strikes. Please, when pitchers throw no-hitters they most likely have great command and are doing nothing but hitting their spots. That is a lame excuse by Roger because he's embarrassed by the fact that he didn't throw a no-hitter in his career.

**kweiss** · 06-16-2003, 11:53 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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I was reading recently that Roger said he never thought he'd get a no-hitter because he threw too many strikes. Judging by some of Nolan's 200 BB seasons (Jesus!) no wonder he threw so many no-hitters...

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To me that just sounds like he is making excuses. To say that is the reason you never threw a no-hitter is stupid. What about the pitchers that pitch perfect games? When they are pitching they're throwing nothing but strikes. Please, when pitchers throw no-hitters they most likely have great command and are doing nothing but hitting their spots. That is a lame excuse by Roger because he's embarrassed by the fact that he didn't throw a no-hitter in his career.

**kweiss** · 06-16-2003, 11:53 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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I was reading recently that Roger said he never thought he'd get a no-hitter because he threw too many strikes. Judging by some of Nolan's 200 BB seasons (Jesus!) no wonder he threw so many no-hitters...

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To me that just sounds like he is making excuses. To say that is the reason you never threw a no-hitter is stupid. What about the pitchers that pitch perfect games? When they are pitching they're throwing nothing but strikes. Please, when pitchers throw no-hitters they most likely have great command and are doing nothing but hitting their spots. That is a lame excuse by Roger because he's embarrassed by the fact that he didn't throw a no-hitter in his career.

**taylor34** · 06-17-2003, 12:28 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

Doesn't Ryan hold the record for the lowest batting average against a pitcher at like .169 or something? The most unhittable pitcher ever--maybe he wasn't the best of all time, but he was definitely the most unhittable.

Taylor34

**taylor34** · 06-17-2003, 12:28 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

Doesn't Ryan hold the record for the lowest batting average against a pitcher at like .169 or something? The most unhittable pitcher ever--maybe he wasn't the best of all time, but he was definitely the most unhittable.

Taylor34

**taylor34** · 06-17-2003, 12:28 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

Doesn't Ryan hold the record for the lowest batting average against a pitcher at like .169 or something? The most unhittable pitcher ever--maybe he wasn't the best of all time, but he was definitely the most unhittable.

Taylor34

**Crown42Royal** · 06-17-2003, 12:50 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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Okay, the thing is when you are comparing these two, there is no way you can bring up the total career wins or win percentage. Look at who Nolan Ryan played for. Mets, Angels, Astros, and Rangers. Through his whole 27 year career, he only played on 4 teams that won first place. Through Roger's 19 year career he has played for 8 teams that have won first place. No matter who you are, if you are playing on a losing team, it really makes it hard to have to have a good winning percentage. If Roger had played on the teams Nolan had to play on, there would be no way he would have come close to 300 wins.

<hr /></blockquote>Finally someone with the same argument as me. Ryan is way better, and classier.

**Crown42Royal** · 06-17-2003, 12:50 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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Okay, the thing is when you are comparing these two, there is no way you can bring up the total career wins or win percentage. Look at who Nolan Ryan played for. Mets, Angels, Astros, and Rangers. Through his whole 27 year career, he only played on 4 teams that won first place. Through Roger's 19 year career he has played for 8 teams that have won first place. No matter who you are, if you are playing on a losing team, it really makes it hard to have to have a good winning percentage. If Roger had played on the teams Nolan had to play on, there would be no way he would have come close to 300 wins.

<hr /></blockquote>Finally someone with the same argument as me. Ryan is way better, and classier.

**Crown42Royal** · 06-17-2003, 12:50 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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Okay, the thing is when you are comparing these two, there is no way you can bring up the total career wins or win percentage. Look at who Nolan Ryan played for. Mets, Angels, Astros, and Rangers. Through his whole 27 year career, he only played on 4 teams that won first place. Through Roger's 19 year career he has played for 8 teams that have won first place. No matter who you are, if you are playing on a losing team, it really makes it hard to have to have a good winning percentage. If Roger had played on the teams Nolan had to play on, there would be no way he would have come close to 300 wins.

<hr /></blockquote>Finally someone with the same argument as me. Ryan is way better, and classier.

**kweiss** · 06-17-2003, 01:13 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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**CLEMENS HAD A BETTER STRIKEOUT/PER INNINGS PITCHED RATIO THAN NOLAN RYAN**

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That isn't exactly true. Clemens Career K's/9 innings is 8.67 compared to Nolan's 9.55. Even if you are talking about single season, Clemen's best was 10.39 to Ryan's 11.48. Nolan went over 10 K's per nine innings 8 times, and Roger has only has over 10 K's per nine innings once.

**kweiss** · 06-17-2003, 01:13 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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**CLEMENS HAD A BETTER STRIKEOUT/PER INNINGS PITCHED RATIO THAN NOLAN RYAN**

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That isn't exactly true. Clemens Career K's/9 innings is 8.67 compared to Nolan's 9.55. Even if you are talking about single season, Clemen's best was 10.39 to Ryan's 11.48. Nolan went over 10 K's per nine innings 8 times, and Roger has only has over 10 K's per nine innings once.

Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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