Rookie Of The Year

**PDex** · 06-30-2003, 09:47 AM

Re: Rookie Of The Year

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dieselboy said:
Matsui and Willis.

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Agreed.
Also, to the person who mentioned that Japanese players don't classify as rookies, I definetely have to disagree. The pitching and hitting in Japan is different that it is in the MLB. Most pitchers throw sidearmed and most of the strikes thrown are fastballs. No breaking balls or offspeed pitches. Just look how Matsui was affected by the MLB pitching last year during International play.
The American players who enter the league actually have an advantage over the Japanese athlethes because they're used to the pitching and hitting.

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Definition of Rookie: definition

So Ichiro plays PROFESSIONAL baseball in Japan for 9 or so years and comes to America to play PROFESSIONAL baseball. That equals 10 years. He should not be a rookie candidate. Look at all the true *rookie* records he broke against American pitcher his *rookie* year. The pitching excuse is ridiculous. The only difference is they don't throw high 2 seam fastballs and throw more sliders than curveballs.

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Do you know that when guys play in the minors...they are playng professional ball?

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Yes, I know minor is pro ball. However Japan has minor leagues and majors in a way like ours. Ichiro and Matsui both played at Japan's highest level for quite awhile. I just don't like that they can come over to our highest level of baseball and still be considered rookies.

**SportsorDeath** · 06-30-2003, 09:54 AM

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I would pick Dontrelle Willis out of those players, hands down. After that, I say the closest is Baldelli.

Hank Blalock and Eric Byrnes are not eligible to win the ROY award. Blalock got a ton of at bats before he was sent down last year, and Eric Byrnes has been up and down between the A's and AAA since 2001.

I don't consider Matsui to be a rookie, I don't care what the MLB rules say. If they weren't so concerned with broadening the appeal of MLB worldwide, they wouldn't even let Japanese players be eligible for the award. It is a crock in my opinion.

If Omar Linares all of a sudden ended up in America to play in the majors after playing like 15 years of pro ball in Cuba, I don't think its fair that he could win rookie of the year, so Nomo and Ichiro shouldn't have won it either.

If Nancy Kerrigan wanted to go skate in the Olympics, she couldnt because she has been a professional since 1994, so I don't see how it should be any different in other sports.

**SportsorDeath** · 06-30-2003, 09:54 AM

Re: Rookie Of The Year

I would pick Dontrelle Willis out of those players, hands down. After that, I say the closest is Baldelli.

Hank Blalock and Eric Byrnes are not eligible to win the ROY award. Blalock got a ton of at bats before he was sent down last year, and Eric Byrnes has been up and down between the A's and AAA since 2001.

I don't consider Matsui to be a rookie, I don't care what the MLB rules say. If they weren't so concerned with broadening the appeal of MLB worldwide, they wouldn't even let Japanese players be eligible for the award. It is a crock in my opinion.

If Omar Linares all of a sudden ended up in America to play in the majors after playing like 15 years of pro ball in Cuba, I don't think its fair that he could win rookie of the year, so Nomo and Ichiro shouldn't have won it either.

If Nancy Kerrigan wanted to go skate in the Olympics, she couldnt because she has been a professional since 1994, so I don't see how it should be any different in other sports.

**SportsorDeath** · 06-30-2003, 09:54 AM

Re: Rookie Of The Year

I would pick Dontrelle Willis out of those players, hands down. After that, I say the closest is Baldelli.

Hank Blalock and Eric Byrnes are not eligible to win the ROY award. Blalock got a ton of at bats before he was sent down last year, and Eric Byrnes has been up and down between the A's and AAA since 2001.

I don't consider Matsui to be a rookie, I don't care what the MLB rules say. If they weren't so concerned with broadening the appeal of MLB worldwide, they wouldn't even let Japanese players be eligible for the award. It is a crock in my opinion.

If Omar Linares all of a sudden ended up in America to play in the majors after playing like 15 years of pro ball in Cuba, I don't think its fair that he could win rookie of the year, so Nomo and Ichiro shouldn't have won it either.

If Nancy Kerrigan wanted to go skate in the Olympics, she couldnt because she has been a professional since 1994, so I don't see how it should be any different in other sports.

**PDex** · 06-30-2003, 09:55 AM

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Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 - a rookie is formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any 25 man roster.

Do you think Ichiro or Matsui had more than 130 at-bats at their big league club in Japan?

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You contradicted yourself. Matsui is eligible, as was Ichiro, for rookie of the year because he meets the requirements.

Whether you think its right or wrong, thats the rules. And seeing as how Matsui is eligible, he should win.

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I know they meet the requirements. I was just pointing out that Ichiro was on a 25 man roster in Japan in their biggest league and I think that should equate to not being eligible for ROY.

I am going to drop this because I am tired of typing about it.

**PDex** · 06-30-2003, 09:55 AM

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dieselboy said:
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PDex said:
Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 - a rookie is formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any 25 man roster.

Do you think Ichiro or Matsui had more than 130 at-bats at their big league club in Japan?

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You contradicted yourself. Matsui is eligible, as was Ichiro, for rookie of the year because he meets the requirements.

Whether you think its right or wrong, thats the rules. And seeing as how Matsui is eligible, he should win.

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I know they meet the requirements. I was just pointing out that Ichiro was on a 25 man roster in Japan in their biggest league and I think that should equate to not being eligible for ROY.

I am going to drop this because I am tired of typing about it.

**PDex** · 06-30-2003, 09:55 AM

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dieselboy said:
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PDex said:
Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 - a rookie is formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any 25 man roster.

Do you think Ichiro or Matsui had more than 130 at-bats at their big league club in Japan?

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You contradicted yourself. Matsui is eligible, as was Ichiro, for rookie of the year because he meets the requirements.

Whether you think its right or wrong, thats the rules. And seeing as how Matsui is eligible, he should win.

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I know they meet the requirements. I was just pointing out that Ichiro was on a 25 man roster in Japan in their biggest league and I think that should equate to not being eligible for ROY.

I am going to drop this because I am tired of typing about it.

**ultimatewrstlr51** · 06-30-2003, 12:05 PM

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PDex said:
Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 - a rookie is formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any 25 man roster.

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blalock had only 147 at bats last season and morgan ensberg only had 132. so your saying if ensberg would have missed one game, he would be elligible for ROTY?

**ultimatewrstlr51** · 06-30-2003, 12:05 PM

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PDex said:
Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 - a rookie is formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any 25 man roster.

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blalock had only 147 at bats last season and morgan ensberg only had 132. so your saying if ensberg would have missed one game, he would be elligible for ROTY?

**ultimatewrstlr51** · 06-30-2003, 12:05 PM

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PDex said:
Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 - a rookie is formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any 25 man roster.

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blalock had only 147 at bats last season and morgan ensberg only had 132. so your saying if ensberg would have missed one game, he would be elligible for ROTY?

**ultimatewrstlr51** · 06-30-2003, 12:08 PM

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MarWinner said:
What about Scott Podsednik? The guys batting like .320, has 16SBs, and has been awesome as Milwaukee's lead off hitter. He would be ROY leader prolly if it wasn't for Dontrelle.

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i had him put up there, but then i erased him because i never hear his names in these forums, so i just put "other" in his place, sorry for you fans out there

**ultimatewrstlr51** · 06-30-2003, 12:08 PM

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MarWinner said:
What about Scott Podsednik? The guys batting like .320, has 16SBs, and has been awesome as Milwaukee's lead off hitter. He would be ROY leader prolly if it wasn't for Dontrelle.

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i had him put up there, but then i erased him because i never hear his names in these forums, so i just put "other" in his place, sorry for you fans out there

**ultimatewrstlr51** · 06-30-2003, 12:08 PM

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MarWinner said:
What about Scott Podsednik? The guys batting like .320, has 16SBs, and has been awesome as Milwaukee's lead off hitter. He would be ROY leader prolly if it wasn't for Dontrelle.

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i had him put up there, but then i erased him because i never hear his names in these forums, so i just put "other" in his place, sorry for you fans out there

**Kevin926** · 06-30-2003, 02:18 PM

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I don't watch much baseball and don't really follow it but based on those stats... I would have to say Dontrelle Willis looks best IMO.

**Kevin926** · 06-30-2003, 02:18 PM

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I don't watch much baseball and don't really follow it but based on those stats... I would have to say Dontrelle Willis looks best IMO.

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