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    Forever A Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 2809

    #1

    The Hall of Fame question

    today i'm asking the hall of fame question. do you guys think Bonds,
    Sosa,Mcgwire Rodriguez, Clemens etc deserve to be in the hall of fame? in my opinion they should be. The reason why These players should be in the hall of fame is that not only were they entertainers and had the stats it was the fact that Steriods were not illegal at the time. Yes they were preformance enhancing drugs but in all honesty i would have to say a good 85% of the people on these fourms would take steriods or HGH if it meant making the fans happier, making more money and putting up insane stats to boot. yes there are players that did it naturally (like my childhood hero Ken Griffey Jr.) the fact of the matter is that during this period people could take steriods. It was an option that every player has and when someone says "this will make you play better" then i don't fault any person who used PED's. If i were to take a supplement that wasn't illegal to help me improve the way i play a game is that wrong? No it isn't they were trying to get ahead and thats what everyone does they try to beat out the competion. Kudos to all of the Roid users you were great players before using them and great players after it.


  • SoxFan01605
    All Star
    • Jan 2008
    • 7982

    #2
    Re: The Hall of Fame question

    IMO:

    Bonds-Yes
    Clemens-Yes
    Rodriguez-Yes
    McGwire-Leaning to No
    Sosa-Leaning to No

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    • yankeesgiants
      I Drink Like A Champion!!
      • Feb 2007
      • 2477

      #3
      Re: The Hall of Fame question

      Bonds, Clemens and Rodriguez are a yes. McGwire & Sosa fall into the Dave Kingman catagory, HR or bust. So Im gonna say no since they are only Hall worthy because of homeruns only. They brought nothing else to the table.
      I dont remember there names but they were allot of fun....

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      • DrJones
        All Star
        • Mar 2003
        • 9109

        #4
        Re: The Hall of Fame question

        The supplements they took WERE obtained illegally and steroids HAVE been banned by baseball since 1992. Because of the power of the MLBPA, testing wasn't allowed until 2003.

        Do you get tested for, say, crystal meth or crack cocaine while at work? No? That doesn't mean that it's okay (or legal) for you to use them.
        Originally posted by Thrash13
        Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
        Originally posted by slickdtc
        DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
        Originally posted by Kipnis22
        yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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        • Sandman42
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2004
          • 15186

          #5
          Re: The Hall of Fame question

          Yes to all.
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          • mgoblue
            Go Wings!
            • Jul 2002
            • 25477

            #6
            Re: The Hall of Fame question

            Guys in the 50's and 60's all took pills, not steroids, but other narcotics...this crap has always gone on, just the drug of choice changes....
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            • SPTO
              binging
              • Feb 2003
              • 68046

              #7
              Re: The Hall of Fame question

              No to all.
              Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

              "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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              • mgoblue
                Go Wings!
                • Jul 2002
                • 25477

                #8
                Re: The Hall of Fame question

                Originally posted by SPTO
                No to all.
                What's your thought on all the current HOF'ers who got there playing hungover and on speed? Just wondering, people always pine for the "good old days" but don't really remember all those players were far from the perfect heroes they have in memories.
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                • SPTO
                  binging
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 68046

                  #9
                  Re: The Hall of Fame question

                  Originally posted by mgoblue
                  What's your thought on all the current HOF'ers who got there playing hungover and on speed? Just wondering, people always pine for the "good old days" but don't really remember all those players were far from the perfect heroes they have in memories.
                  You're right about that but I put no to these guys because they were stupid enough to get caught. I mean, I never saw Mickey Mantle getting thrown to court for being a drunk or any other players getting in trouble for using greenies and such.

                  It's almost like rewarding these guys for outright breaking the law. Barry Bonds more or less outright lied about his use of steroids and the same goes for Clemens. Are you going to reward these guys for that kind of behavior?

                  Although to answer the question by taking that personal viewpoint away here's how i'd do it:

                  Bonds- Yes (he had HOF credentials before he roided up)
                  Clemens- same thing
                  McGwire and Sosa= Dave Kingman so nope to them
                  Rodriguez- Well this is the hard one for me. A part of me thinks he shouldn't but if the testing is as stringent as I hope it should be and he's never caught again then I guess he gets in.
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                  • mgoblue
                    Go Wings!
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 25477

                    #10
                    Re: The Hall of Fame question

                    Originally posted by SPTO
                    You're right about that but I put no to these guys because they were stupid enough to get caught. I mean, I never saw Mickey Mantle getting thrown to court for being a drunk or any other players getting in trouble for using greenies and such.

                    It's almost like rewarding these guys for outright breaking the law. Barry Bonds more or less outright lied about his use of steroids and the same goes for Clemens. Are you going to reward these guys for that kind of behavior?
                    Baseball just turned a blind eye to greenies and such, everyone knew about it...just the same as the steroids.

                    I don't know where I stand on this issue, but just pointing out that all the people pining for the "clean era" of baseball need to wake up and realize they've always been taking some sort of drugs and the MLB just didn't care.
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                    • jetercanoturn2
                      Banned
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 2881

                      #11
                      Re: The Hall of Fame question

                      Barry Bonds- Yes
                      Roger Clemens-yes
                      Arod-yes
                      Sosa-no
                      McGwire-no
                      Last edited by jetercanoturn2; 10-13-2009, 06:34 PM.

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                      • Knight165
                        *ll St*r
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 24964

                        #12
                        Re: The Hall of Fame question

                        Negative on them all.
                        ....
                        ....
                        and thank you Dr Jones for pointing out that there in fact was a policy in place.
                        I've linked the rule so many times in these kinds of conversations.....I'm gettin' worn down!
                        I have no idea why guys think that there was "nothing in the rules against steroids" when these guys were taking them.

                        mgo...
                        Booze and speed vs. PED's? Are you really going to try and compare the benefit to athletics in the two? C'mon.

                        M.K.
                        Knight165
                        All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                        • jetercanoturn2
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 2881

                          #13
                          Re: The Hall of Fame question

                          Originally posted by Knight165
                          Negative on them all.
                          ....
                          ....
                          and thank you Dr Jones for pointing out that there in fact was a policy in place.
                          I've linked the rule so many times in these kinds of conversations.....I'm gettin' worn down!
                          I have no idea why guys think that there was "nothing in the rules against steroids" when these guys were taking them.

                          mgo...
                          Booze and speed vs. PED's? Are you really going to try and compare the benefit to athletics in the two? C'mon.

                          M.K.
                          Knight165
                          I'm pretty convinced the Miracle Mets were on Drugs. just playing Knight:wink:

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                          • TheLetterZ
                            All Star
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 6752

                            #14
                            Re: The Hall of Fame question

                            Originally posted by Sandman42
                            Yes to all.
                            Agreed. Just put them in.

                            And McGwire was home run or bust like Dave Kingman? Kingman had a career .300 OBP. McGwire's was .400.
                            Last edited by TheLetterZ; 10-14-2009, 05:05 AM.

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                            • TheMatrix31
                              RF
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 52920

                              #15
                              Re: The Hall of Fame question

                              Yes to all.

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