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  • daflyboys
    Banned
    • May 2003
    • 18238

    #1

    Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

    well.... sort of...


    PHILADELPHIA – The showers at Citizens Bank Park must be nice and hot. You know, the kind with the rotating head that goes from pulse to stream to rainfall. Relaxing and soothing enough to explain how Manny Ramirez(notes) possibly thought it would be OK to spend the ninth inning of the most important game of the Los Angeles Dodgers’ season covered by suds.

    Ah, to live in Manny’s world, where accountability and solidarity take back seats to … personal hygiene? As Jimmy Rollins(notes) turned on a Jonathan Broxton(notes) fastball with two outs in the ninth inning Monday night and drove in two runs for a 5-4 Philadelphia victory, Manny was blissfully unaware that his season was one game from being over. He’d been removed for defensive purposes before the inning began.

    “When I came out,” he told reporters, “they were turning the TVs off and everybody was coming in.”

    Instead of being on the bench to celebrate the presumed victory – and, eventually, lament the crushing loss – he was rinsing off and getting ready to towel himself dry. Just another sign that the Manny-as-a-role-model-for-younger-players rubbish the Dodgers tried to sell when they gave him $45 million earlier this year was just another myth, an excuse from an organization that continues to enable his selfish behavior.

    The Dodgers are a proud team. They are run by Ned Colletti, a savvy general manager whom they signed Tuesday to a long-term deal, and a cadre of smart executives. Their manager, Joe Torre, has nearly a fistful of World Series rings and earns the respect of players because of his loyalty. To allow Ramirez to so willfully co-opt everything for which they stand with his blatant disregard for the Dodgers’ well-being is a sign of misplaced priorities.

    Ramirez’s benefits no longer outweigh his detriments. He is catnip for drama. He sulked his way out of Boston, signed late with the Dodgers because he wanted more money than he deserved, spent 50 games sidelined because he was caught with a prescription for female fertility drugs used to either get pregnant or cover up steroid use – whichever of those seems more probable.

    When he returned, Ramirez wasn’t the same lightning bolt in the middle of the lineup he had been – nor the positive and relaxing influence the younger Dodgers said he was toward the end of last season, as Los Angeles won the NL West.

    His bat always compensated for his antics – jogging on ground balls, lazing toward others hit into the left-field corner. Not anymore. He’s now a dreadlocked distraction, and the example he sets for Andre Ethier(notes) and Matt Kemp(notes) and James Loney(notes) and Russell Martin(notes) – that not watching the game is acceptable under any circumstances – is pitiful.

    “It’s really nothing different than he’s done before,” Torre said. “I don’t think it’s disrespect of anything. He wasn’t going anywhere until the game was over, and we can’t put him back in the game.”

    More excuses, more hollow justification. Certainly it would be another distraction if the Dodgers came out and admonished Ramirez, but at least they would seem serious about the different standard to which they hold their highest-paid, biggest-name player. The implication is stark: Manny does what he pleases, and we vouch for it.

    Torre reasoned that Ramirez retreated to the clubhouse during the regular season when he got pulled for a defensive replacement. This is not the regular season. It is the NLCS. It is one step from the World Series. The Dodgers were about to steal home-field advantage back from the Phillies. The series would be in their hands. The impending victory was as huge as the disappointment from the loss.

    And even if Ramirez was in the clubhouse, at least he could have tuned in. Legend has it that during Game 6 of the 1986 World Series, Keith Hernandez went back to the clubhouse, lit a cigarette, cracked a beer and watched the ninth inning on TV. Ramirez was so eager to leave – to avoid the media, or to grab dinner, or who knows? – that a shower was more imperative than the game’s final out.

    “The way it turned out,” Torre said, “it probably doesn’t look good.”

    You think? Randy Wolf(notes), the Dodgers’ starter, made it back to the bench after getting pulled in the sixth inning. Other Dodgers waited there to join in the celebration. It wasn’t too much to ask. Not even close. And yet even the littlest thing with Manny turns into an ordeal. Boston got it right. The Red Sox got sick of Ramirez’s selfishness and shipped him off.

    The Dodgers are stuck with Ramirez, their $20 million diva. He undoubtedly will not exercise the opt-out clause, leaving the Dodgers on the hook for another year. And you know what it feels like?

    A cold shower.
  • TheMatrix31
    RF
    • Jul 2002
    • 52919

    #2
    Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

    Good. I hope he found out they lost in the most crushing way possible as soon as he got out of the shower. Prick.

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    • J0nnD0ugh
      Hall Of Fame
      • Feb 2003
      • 16602

      #3
      Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

      What exactly was he supposed to be doing now that he was out of the game? He couldn't affect it any kind of way. People make a bunch of hubbub out of nothing as soon as someone gets on their bad side.
      Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
      I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
      -August 17, 1960
      Thanks, dookies!

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      • daflyboys
        Banned
        • May 2003
        • 18238

        #4
        Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

        Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
        What exactly was he supposed to be doing now that he was out of the game? He couldn't affect it any kind of way. People make a bunch of hubbub out of nothing as soon as someone gets on their bad side.
        You're honestly going to defend this douche individualist. Are you serious? There's a MF game going on!!! WTF sports did you play?? You know better than that!

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        • loccdogg26
          MVP
          • Jun 2003
          • 2277

          #5
          Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

          Really what does dreadlocks have to do with anything.
          Fav teams:
          MLB: Tigers NFL: Lions NCAA: Michigan/WVU

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          • DrJones
            All Star
            • Mar 2003
            • 9109

            #6
            Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

            Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
            What exactly was he supposed to be doing now that he was out of the game? He couldn't affect it any kind of way. People make a bunch of hubbub out of nothing as soon as someone gets on their bad side.
            Exactly. The problem isn't that he's a selfish dunderhead (he's always been that), but that the Dodgers grossly overpaid him. How can this guy rail about Manny's "unprofessionalism" and $45M contract and call Ned Colletti savvy in the same breath?
            Originally posted by Thrash13
            Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
            Originally posted by slickdtc
            DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
            Originally posted by Kipnis22
            yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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            • TheMatrix31
              RF
              • Jul 2002
              • 52919

              #7
              Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

              Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
              What exactly was he supposed to be doing now that he was out of the game? He couldn't affect it any kind of way. People make a bunch of hubbub out of nothing as soon as someone gets on their bad side.
              C'mon man. Youre sitting there, you get removed from the game but your team is hanging on by a thread. Scratch that, your SEASON is basically hanging on by a thread, and you're already in the showers? Sit your *** down, watch the damn game with your teammates! That's ridiculous, and unacceptable behavior, I'm sorry.

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              • J0nnD0ugh
                Hall Of Fame
                • Feb 2003
                • 16602

                #8
                Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

                Originally posted by daflyboys
                You're honestly going to defend this douche individualist. Are you serious? There's a MF game going on!!! WTF sports did you play?? You know better than that!
                Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                C'mon man. Youre sitting there, you get removed from the game but your team is hanging on by a thread. Scratch that, your SEASON is basically hanging on by a thread, and you're already in the showers? Sit your *** down, watch the damn game with your teammates! That's ridiculous, and unacceptable behavior, I'm sorry.
                Cry me a river. What in the world could Manny have done, huh? What affect @ at all could he have had if he was there in the dugout? Give me a break.

                Was he going to shout advice to Braxton on how to pitch? Was Braxton going to say "Ooo! Manny is there. He believes in me!! I've now got the strength to strike Rollins out!"? Was he going to tell Torre he's got too much space in between right & center for Rollins to drive a ball into the gap? Was the defense looking in the dugout wishing Manny was there?

                Quit whining & crying. If the Dodgers were in any way affected by Manny showering, then we can see why they are a game away from elimination. They are too mentally weak to win the WS. Grow a pair.
                Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                -August 17, 1960
                Thanks, dookies!

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                • daflyboys
                  Banned
                  • May 2003
                  • 18238

                  #9
                  Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

                  Grow a pair? And this has what to do with this? I'm a sissy because I'm pointing out that a player didn't stay with his team until the end and act like a teammate? Doesn't even fit here.

                  Ya, I love the "stop crying" comeback too. Bottom line is this is a team and he wasn't there. There's nothing you can say to support your precious, overpriced, candy eating, dreadlocked little boy here on this one.

                  After tonight Manny can take as many solo showers as he wants.

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                  • J0nnD0ugh
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 16602

                    #10
                    Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

                    Originally posted by daflyboys
                    Ya, I love the "stop crying" comeback. Bottom line is this is a team and he wasn't there. There's nothing you can say to support your precious, overpriced, candy eating, dreadlocked little boy here on this one.

                    After tonight Manny can take as many solo showers as he wants.
                    I'm not supporting him. Manny ain't going to care if I've got his back or not. I just don't see how this made a difference one iota. This affected NOBODY. This affected NOTHING. This was of absolutely NO CONSEQUENCE whatsoever.

                    You're all in an outrage over nothing.
                    Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                    I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                    -August 17, 1960
                    Thanks, dookies!

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                    • Sully
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 16003

                      #11
                      Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

                      Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
                      I'm not supporting him. Manny ain't going to care if I've got his back or not. I just don't see how this made a difference one iota. This affected NOBODY. This affected NOTHING. This was of absolutely NO CONSEQUENCE whatsoever.

                      You're all in an outrage over nothing.
                      It shows Manny doesn't give a ****. It's a one run ballgame against a team that ended your season last year. A team notorious for late-inning comebacks. A game that could swing the momentum of the entire series, or a game that could put you on the brink of another long winter. His teammates see he isn't there. They see he doesn't care. Whether you believe in chemistry or any of that other bs they claim to be important to a team, it surely does have a negative impact on it.

                      I do agree that making a spectacle of it is a lost cause. It's Manny. In some ways it's expected of him. It has to be eating Joe Torre up inside because he's never had to deal with an idiot of this magnitude. Still, nothing is going to change. So, really, it's a non-issue.

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                      • J0nnD0ugh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 16602

                        #12
                        Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

                        Originally posted by Sully
                        It shows Manny doesn't give a ****. It's a one run ballgame against a team that ended your season last year. A team notorious for late-inning comebacks. A game that could swing the momentum of the entire series, or a game that could put you on the brink of another long winter. His teammates see he isn't there. They see he doesn't care. Whether you believe in chemistry or any of that other bs they claim to be important to a team, it surely does have a negative impact on it.
                        Chemistry means nothing in baseball. There have been a ton of teams who couldn't stand each other & still won. Ruth & Gehrig didn't speak to each other. The A's & Yanks of the 70's fought constantly. Pinella got in fist fights w/his Reds' bullpen. Chemistry means zilch in baseball. You don't have to like each other. You just have to do your job.

                        If the Dodgers bullpen was affected in anyway by Manny's non-presence in the dugout, they are the problem. Not Manny's hygiene. They are mental midgets.
                        Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                        I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                        -August 17, 1960
                        Thanks, dookies!

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                        • yankeesgiants
                          I Drink Like A Champion!!
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 2477

                          #13
                          Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

                          It's being way overblown. He has been doing this for a decade now. If you think he is the only one who does this, your kidding yourself. How many times do we see a pitcher removed and he heads down the tunnel into the clubhouse? All the time. Baseball is unlike any other sport where the clubhouse is a left or right turn. Your not in full view of the public like other sports so we dont know who stays and go's during a game. He was removed from the game and showered. If his teammates, manger, and owner dont care why should I?
                          I dont remember there names but they were allot of fun....

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                          • daflyboys
                            Banned
                            • May 2003
                            • 18238

                            #14
                            Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

                            No one is in an "outrage"! You really have this knack for mischaracterizing things, don't you?

                            Ok, how about this so we don't harm Manny's fragile enormous ego. I think ANY player that leaves his team during a game, and especially at such a critical moment is a douchebag and is not truly an athlete. Being an athlete is more than about the skill you bring to your particular area.

                            So, now, having said that. If I stop "whining and crying", can I have my balls back please?

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                            • djep
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 1128

                              #15
                              Re: Manny Ramirez ~~ CLEAN AFTER ALL!!

                              Maybe it didn't affect anything but he is supposed to be a team leader. You stay on the bench and support your mates in the 9th inning of an LCS game.

                              What if he had left the park altogether and gone back to the hotel in the 9th?

                              Why do starting pitchers even come to the park on days they aren't scheduled to pitch?

                              I don't think this is a huge deal but defending it by saying he couldn't affect the outcome doesn't make sense to me.

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