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  • 3rdAnswer
    Regular Cat Records®
    • Sep 2002
    • 10845

    #76
    Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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    EsaQue said:
    I agree with whoever it was that said that 12% of the US is african american, and that number in baseball is 11%. If these numbers are accurate, then that makes sense.
    As for the "inner city kids can't play pick up games", I don't necessarily think that's true. I don't know a lot about the upbringing of Dontrelle Willis, but I know he says his delivery developed from playing a game called "strike-out". They probably didn't do this on a baseball diamond. Now even though I am white, and have never lived in the inner city, I am going to use myself as an example. When I was a little younger, I owuld play pickup games with a friend all the time. Oftentimes, it was just the two of us, playing one on one, with ghost runners, using a crack in the sidewalk as second base, with a three story apartment building looming right over us, and using tennis balls instead of baseballs. We would do this almost everyday. It was actually easier for us to get a game of baseballgoing than to go across the street to play basketball (though we did do that to mix it up every once in a while) We didn't play on big fields, with top of the line bats (we used plastic, $5 bats), but we still constantly played the game.


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    Me and my boys used to do that ALL THE TIME !. We'd end up arguing over where the baserunners were !

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    • DirkOwnsAll
      Rookie
      • Oct 2002
      • 127

      #77
      Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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      Jordan23 said:
      I'm not racists nor am I trying to sound racists, but to whoever said that MLB doesn't do a good job of marketing baseball to the black people, thats a good thing. Not that I don't want blacks playing baseball, but do you really wanna see MLB games go to an advertisment or something by using a bunch of rap music or during the 7th inning stretch have Ja Rule and Murder Inc. singing "Take Me Out To The Ballgame?" Now, by saying this I've probably made alot of people offended, and I'm sorry. But look at the NBA and how they've marketed their game. Their is a bunch of thugs out their playin ball and then goin back and smokin a bunch of weed after the game. I just don't want to see this happen to baseball. Once again, I'm not racists, my favorite players are Griffey and Bonds and many other black players, this is just my two cents.

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      Why is it that after someone makes the comment that they aren't racist the next thing out of their mouth is something that most certainly IS racist? Honestly, I've never really paid too much attention to who/what Major League Baseball markets itself to. I don't know what would classify something as "white marketing" or "black marketing". To me, they should market themselves to the people. And by that, I mean all of us. White, black, Asian, Hispanic, whatever.

      Someone stated in an earlier post that if baseball were marketed more toward black people then the stadium atmosphere would be rap and hip-hop. Is that to say that all black people like rap or hip-hop? To me that is an extremely stereotyped answer. I mean, if all black people like rap, what do all white people like? Opera?

      One World, One Race

      Unfortunately I don't think our society will ever live by that moniker, no matter if it's baseball marketing or something else done in everyday life. It's sad.

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      • DirkOwnsAll
        Rookie
        • Oct 2002
        • 127

        #78
        Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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        ksolo12 said:
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        Jordan23 said:
        I'm not racists nor am I trying to sound racists, but to whoever said that MLB doesn't do a good job of marketing baseball to the black people, thats a good thing. Not that I don't want blacks playing baseball, but do you really wanna see MLB games go to an advertisment or something by using a bunch of rap music or during the 7th inning stretch have Ja Rule and Murder Inc. singing "Take Me Out To The Ballgame?" Now, by saying this I've probably made alot of people offended, and I'm sorry. But look at the NBA and how they've marketed their game. Their is a bunch of thugs out their playin ball and then goin back and smokin a bunch of weed after the game. I just don't want to see this happen to baseball. Once again, I'm not racists, my favorite players are Griffey and Bonds and many other black players, this is just my two cents.

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        Why is it that after someone makes the comment that they aren't racist the next thing out of their mouth is something that most certainly IS racist? Honestly, I've never really paid too much attention to who/what Major League Baseball markets itself to. I don't know what would classify something as "white marketing" or "black marketing". To me, they should market themselves to the people. And by that, I mean all of us. White, black, Asian, Hispanic, whatever.

        Someone stated in an earlier post that if baseball were marketed more toward black people then the stadium atmosphere would be rap and hip-hop. Is that to say that all black people like rap or hip-hop? To me that is an extremely stereotyped answer. I mean, if all black people like rap, what do all white people like? Opera?

        One World, One Race

        Unfortunately I don't think our society will ever live by that moniker, no matter if it's baseball marketing or something else done in everyday life. It's sad.

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        • DirkOwnsAll
          Rookie
          • Oct 2002
          • 127

          #79
          Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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          ksolo12 said:
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          Jordan23 said:
          I'm not racists nor am I trying to sound racists, but to whoever said that MLB doesn't do a good job of marketing baseball to the black people, thats a good thing. Not that I don't want blacks playing baseball, but do you really wanna see MLB games go to an advertisment or something by using a bunch of rap music or during the 7th inning stretch have Ja Rule and Murder Inc. singing "Take Me Out To The Ballgame?" Now, by saying this I've probably made alot of people offended, and I'm sorry. But look at the NBA and how they've marketed their game. Their is a bunch of thugs out their playin ball and then goin back and smokin a bunch of weed after the game. I just don't want to see this happen to baseball. Once again, I'm not racists, my favorite players are Griffey and Bonds and many other black players, this is just my two cents.

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          Why is it that after someone makes the comment that they aren't racist the next thing out of their mouth is something that most certainly IS racist? Honestly, I've never really paid too much attention to who/what Major League Baseball markets itself to. I don't know what would classify something as "white marketing" or "black marketing". To me, they should market themselves to the people. And by that, I mean all of us. White, black, Asian, Hispanic, whatever.

          Someone stated in an earlier post that if baseball were marketed more toward black people then the stadium atmosphere would be rap and hip-hop. Is that to say that all black people like rap or hip-hop? To me that is an extremely stereotyped answer. I mean, if all black people like rap, what do all white people like? Opera?

          One World, One Race

          Unfortunately I don't think our society will ever live by that moniker, no matter if it's baseball marketing or something else done in everyday life. It's sad.

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          • muzion
            Pro
            • Oct 2002
            • 718

            #80
            Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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            Jordan23 said:
            I'm not racists nor am I trying to sound racists, but to whoever said that MLB doesn't do a good job of marketing baseball to the black people, thats a good thing. Not that I don't want blacks playing baseball, but do you really wanna see MLB games go to an advertisment or something by using a bunch of rap music or during the 7th inning stretch have Ja Rule and Murder Inc. singing "Take Me Out To The Ballgame?" Now, by saying this I've probably made alot of people offended, and I'm sorry. But look at the NBA and how they've marketed their game. Their is a bunch of thugs out their playin ball and then goin back and smokin a bunch of weed after the game. I just don't want to see this happen to baseball. Once again, I'm not racists, my favorite players are Griffey and Bonds and many other black players, this is just my two cents.

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            Ignorant post of the year!

            You must be the type of sport fan who likes being entertained by Blacks but doesn't want to have anything to do with any of us, or you are simply just this irrational in your views. If you have ever been to a baseball game, you'd know that at least 40% (and that's an understatement) of the players listen to rap music; proof of it is because of the songs they choose to play before they come to bat. Plus, a lot of the players are latin so they actually decide to play some latin music anyway, so you better believe a lot of them listen to rap music also.

            Weed is an issue in all communities. I'm a Black living in a white neighborhood in Canada and about 80% of the people I know have tried it once. Baseball players can get away with much more that basketball and football players since they are not as much under the microscope as these other athletes. You don't hear as much of incidents in baseball and hockey for that reason.

            Furthermore, advertising doesn't necessarily mean "Ja Rule" (everybody hates em now anyway, bout time people realize...) singing "Take Me Out to the Ball Game", since most of us do not watch baseball anyway... It means making the game of baseball more available to Black people from inner cities in the United States. It means collaborating with some towns in the U.S., by funding the creation of baseball fields, and things of that nature.

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            • muzion
              Pro
              • Oct 2002
              • 718

              #81
              Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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              Jordan23 said:
              I'm not racists nor am I trying to sound racists, but to whoever said that MLB doesn't do a good job of marketing baseball to the black people, thats a good thing. Not that I don't want blacks playing baseball, but do you really wanna see MLB games go to an advertisment or something by using a bunch of rap music or during the 7th inning stretch have Ja Rule and Murder Inc. singing "Take Me Out To The Ballgame?" Now, by saying this I've probably made alot of people offended, and I'm sorry. But look at the NBA and how they've marketed their game. Their is a bunch of thugs out their playin ball and then goin back and smokin a bunch of weed after the game. I just don't want to see this happen to baseball. Once again, I'm not racists, my favorite players are Griffey and Bonds and many other black players, this is just my two cents.

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              Ignorant post of the year!

              You must be the type of sport fan who likes being entertained by Blacks but doesn't want to have anything to do with any of us, or you are simply just this irrational in your views. If you have ever been to a baseball game, you'd know that at least 40% (and that's an understatement) of the players listen to rap music; proof of it is because of the songs they choose to play before they come to bat. Plus, a lot of the players are latin so they actually decide to play some latin music anyway, so you better believe a lot of them listen to rap music also.

              Weed is an issue in all communities. I'm a Black living in a white neighborhood in Canada and about 80% of the people I know have tried it once. Baseball players can get away with much more that basketball and football players since they are not as much under the microscope as these other athletes. You don't hear as much of incidents in baseball and hockey for that reason.

              Furthermore, advertising doesn't necessarily mean "Ja Rule" (everybody hates em now anyway, bout time people realize...) singing "Take Me Out to the Ball Game", since most of us do not watch baseball anyway... It means making the game of baseball more available to Black people from inner cities in the United States. It means collaborating with some towns in the U.S., by funding the creation of baseball fields, and things of that nature.

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              • muzion
                Pro
                • Oct 2002
                • 718

                #82
                Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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                Jordan23 said:
                I'm not racists nor am I trying to sound racists, but to whoever said that MLB doesn't do a good job of marketing baseball to the black people, thats a good thing. Not that I don't want blacks playing baseball, but do you really wanna see MLB games go to an advertisment or something by using a bunch of rap music or during the 7th inning stretch have Ja Rule and Murder Inc. singing "Take Me Out To The Ballgame?" Now, by saying this I've probably made alot of people offended, and I'm sorry. But look at the NBA and how they've marketed their game. Their is a bunch of thugs out their playin ball and then goin back and smokin a bunch of weed after the game. I just don't want to see this happen to baseball. Once again, I'm not racists, my favorite players are Griffey and Bonds and many other black players, this is just my two cents.

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                Ignorant post of the year!

                You must be the type of sport fan who likes being entertained by Blacks but doesn't want to have anything to do with any of us, or you are simply just this irrational in your views. If you have ever been to a baseball game, you'd know that at least 40% (and that's an understatement) of the players listen to rap music; proof of it is because of the songs they choose to play before they come to bat. Plus, a lot of the players are latin so they actually decide to play some latin music anyway, so you better believe a lot of them listen to rap music also.

                Weed is an issue in all communities. I'm a Black living in a white neighborhood in Canada and about 80% of the people I know have tried it once. Baseball players can get away with much more that basketball and football players since they are not as much under the microscope as these other athletes. You don't hear as much of incidents in baseball and hockey for that reason.

                Furthermore, advertising doesn't necessarily mean "Ja Rule" (everybody hates em now anyway, bout time people realize...) singing "Take Me Out to the Ball Game", since most of us do not watch baseball anyway... It means making the game of baseball more available to Black people from inner cities in the United States. It means collaborating with some towns in the U.S., by funding the creation of baseball fields, and things of that nature.

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                • LetsGoPitt
                  Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 5673

                  #83
                  Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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                  It means making the game of baseball more available to Black people from inner cities in the United States.

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                  How? Inner city neighborhoods by their very definition don't have vast amounts of green space to place a baseball field on. This is probably the #1 reason why inner city kids are more drawn to basketball than to baseball -- it's a lot easier to find a paved area and put up a hoop than it is to find a large field to put a baseball diamond on.

                  Plus, you already said "we don't watch baseball much anyway" so whose fault is that? It's not like baseball should or could go door to door to black houses and say "hey, there's this really cool game out there called baseball, you should give it a shot!"

                  Besides, as someone has already pointed out, if there were an equal representation of blacks to whites in baseball, you'd actually have a severe slant towards the black community based on the overall demographics of the US.

                  Personally, a guy on my team could have green skin for all I cared, as long as he was a good ball player (could block a plate better than Jason Kendall, for example).
                  “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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                  • LetsGoPitt
                    Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 5673

                    #84
                    Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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                    It means making the game of baseball more available to Black people from inner cities in the United States.

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                    How? Inner city neighborhoods by their very definition don't have vast amounts of green space to place a baseball field on. This is probably the #1 reason why inner city kids are more drawn to basketball than to baseball -- it's a lot easier to find a paved area and put up a hoop than it is to find a large field to put a baseball diamond on.

                    Plus, you already said "we don't watch baseball much anyway" so whose fault is that? It's not like baseball should or could go door to door to black houses and say "hey, there's this really cool game out there called baseball, you should give it a shot!"

                    Besides, as someone has already pointed out, if there were an equal representation of blacks to whites in baseball, you'd actually have a severe slant towards the black community based on the overall demographics of the US.

                    Personally, a guy on my team could have green skin for all I cared, as long as he was a good ball player (could block a plate better than Jason Kendall, for example).
                    “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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                    • LetsGoPitt
                      Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 5673

                      #85
                      Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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                      It means making the game of baseball more available to Black people from inner cities in the United States.

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                      How? Inner city neighborhoods by their very definition don't have vast amounts of green space to place a baseball field on. This is probably the #1 reason why inner city kids are more drawn to basketball than to baseball -- it's a lot easier to find a paved area and put up a hoop than it is to find a large field to put a baseball diamond on.

                      Plus, you already said "we don't watch baseball much anyway" so whose fault is that? It's not like baseball should or could go door to door to black houses and say "hey, there's this really cool game out there called baseball, you should give it a shot!"

                      Besides, as someone has already pointed out, if there were an equal representation of blacks to whites in baseball, you'd actually have a severe slant towards the black community based on the overall demographics of the US.

                      Personally, a guy on my team could have green skin for all I cared, as long as he was a good ball player (could block a plate better than Jason Kendall, for example).
                      “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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                      • rj9949
                        Pro
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 654

                        #86
                        Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

                        Simple answer is......Too many white guys with sticks.

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                        • rj9949
                          Pro
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 654

                          #87
                          Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

                          Simple answer is......Too many white guys with sticks.

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                          • rj9949
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                            • Apr 2003
                            • 654

                            #88
                            Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

                            Simple answer is......Too many white guys with sticks.

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                            • LetsGoPitt
                              Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5673

                              #89
                              Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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                              rj9949 said:
                              Simple answer is......Too many white guys with sticks.

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                              Wow...that's deep
                              “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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                              • LetsGoPitt
                                Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 5673

                                #90
                                Re: why are their few blacks in MLB??????????

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                                rj9949 said:
                                Simple answer is......Too many white guys with sticks.

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                                Wow...that's deep
                                “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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