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  • MSRoble33
    MVP
    • Aug 2002
    • 1840

    #166
    Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

    Even if this wasn't a deal made with a major checkbook team, this is a symbol of what's wrong with baseball...

    I'm beginning to care less and less if they even HAVE a freakin' team here. I mean, hell, if you want crappy players, you might as well have a contest before everygame to let the fans outside give it a shot... jeezus!

    I heard all these rumors of good prospects coming this way, then BAM! they unload that $2 piece of crap Jose on us... what the hell was the thought-process in THIS?!!

    Have they even WATCHED this guy play?! If we wanted to increase our strikeout total, we'd have kept Kevin Young!

    Comment

    • mjb2124
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2002
      • 13649

      #167
      Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

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      MSRoble33 said:
      Even if this wasn't a deal made with a major checkbook team, this is a symbol of what's wrong with baseball...

      I'm beginning to care less and less if they even HAVE a freakin' team here. I mean, hell, if you want crappy players, you might as well have a contest before everygame to let the fans outside give it a shot... jeezus!

      I heard all these rumors of good prospects coming this way, then BAM! they unload that $2 piece of crap Jose on us... what the hell was the thought-process in THIS?!!

      Have they even WATCHED this guy play?! If we wanted to increase our strikeout total, we'd have kept Kevin Young!

      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

      Honestly, the only rationale is that Hernandez is a FA after this year. They let Hernandez walk and with the extra money sign a better FA 3B (or promote one from the minors - assuming someone's ready).

      The Pirates are going to rebuild. Giles and Kendall will also be gone in the next few weeks. So will Benson and Suppan.

      My only hope is that Littlefield can work his magic and bring some talented younger players in here to turn this team around...

      Comment

      • mjb2124
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2002
        • 13649

        #168
        Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

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        MSRoble33 said:
        Even if this wasn't a deal made with a major checkbook team, this is a symbol of what's wrong with baseball...

        I'm beginning to care less and less if they even HAVE a freakin' team here. I mean, hell, if you want crappy players, you might as well have a contest before everygame to let the fans outside give it a shot... jeezus!

        I heard all these rumors of good prospects coming this way, then BAM! they unload that $2 piece of crap Jose on us... what the hell was the thought-process in THIS?!!

        Have they even WATCHED this guy play?! If we wanted to increase our strikeout total, we'd have kept Kevin Young!

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

        Honestly, the only rationale is that Hernandez is a FA after this year. They let Hernandez walk and with the extra money sign a better FA 3B (or promote one from the minors - assuming someone's ready).

        The Pirates are going to rebuild. Giles and Kendall will also be gone in the next few weeks. So will Benson and Suppan.

        My only hope is that Littlefield can work his magic and bring some talented younger players in here to turn this team around...

        Comment

        • mjb2124
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2002
          • 13649

          #169
          Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

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          MSRoble33 said:
          Even if this wasn't a deal made with a major checkbook team, this is a symbol of what's wrong with baseball...

          I'm beginning to care less and less if they even HAVE a freakin' team here. I mean, hell, if you want crappy players, you might as well have a contest before everygame to let the fans outside give it a shot... jeezus!

          I heard all these rumors of good prospects coming this way, then BAM! they unload that $2 piece of crap Jose on us... what the hell was the thought-process in THIS?!!

          Have they even WATCHED this guy play?! If we wanted to increase our strikeout total, we'd have kept Kevin Young!

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          Honestly, the only rationale is that Hernandez is a FA after this year. They let Hernandez walk and with the extra money sign a better FA 3B (or promote one from the minors - assuming someone's ready).

          The Pirates are going to rebuild. Giles and Kendall will also be gone in the next few weeks. So will Benson and Suppan.

          My only hope is that Littlefield can work his magic and bring some talented younger players in here to turn this team around...

          Comment

          • MSRoble33
            MVP
            • Aug 2002
            • 1840

            #170
            Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

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            joeboo said:
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            MSRoble33 said:
            Even if this wasn't a deal made with a major checkbook team, this is a symbol of what's wrong with baseball...

            I'm beginning to care less and less if they even HAVE a freakin' team here. I mean, hell, if you want crappy players, you might as well have a contest before everygame to let the fans outside give it a shot... jeezus!

            I heard all these rumors of good prospects coming this way, then BAM! they unload that $2 piece of crap Jose on us... what the hell was the thought-process in THIS?!!

            Have they even WATCHED this guy play?! If we wanted to increase our strikeout total, we'd have kept Kevin Young!

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            Honestly, the only rationale is that Hernandez is a FA after this year. They let Hernandez walk and with the extra money sign a better FA 3B (or promote one from the minors - assuming someone's ready).

            The Pirates are going to rebuild. Giles and Kendall will also be gone in the next few weeks. So will Benson and Suppan.

            My only hope is that Littlefield can work his magic and bring some talented younger players in here to turn this team around...

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            This was a perfectly good chance... all this talk about Cruz, Beltran, Pie, then instead we get Jose f'n Hernandez!!!

            Why don't Littlefield just go out on downtown Pittsburgh, show a starving man a menu for a steakhouse, then hand him a small order of fries instead?

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            • MSRoble33
              MVP
              • Aug 2002
              • 1840

              #171
              Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

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              joeboo said:
              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              MSRoble33 said:
              Even if this wasn't a deal made with a major checkbook team, this is a symbol of what's wrong with baseball...

              I'm beginning to care less and less if they even HAVE a freakin' team here. I mean, hell, if you want crappy players, you might as well have a contest before everygame to let the fans outside give it a shot... jeezus!

              I heard all these rumors of good prospects coming this way, then BAM! they unload that $2 piece of crap Jose on us... what the hell was the thought-process in THIS?!!

              Have they even WATCHED this guy play?! If we wanted to increase our strikeout total, we'd have kept Kevin Young!

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              Honestly, the only rationale is that Hernandez is a FA after this year. They let Hernandez walk and with the extra money sign a better FA 3B (or promote one from the minors - assuming someone's ready).

              The Pirates are going to rebuild. Giles and Kendall will also be gone in the next few weeks. So will Benson and Suppan.

              My only hope is that Littlefield can work his magic and bring some talented younger players in here to turn this team around...

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              This was a perfectly good chance... all this talk about Cruz, Beltran, Pie, then instead we get Jose f'n Hernandez!!!

              Why don't Littlefield just go out on downtown Pittsburgh, show a starving man a menu for a steakhouse, then hand him a small order of fries instead?

              Comment

              • MSRoble33
                MVP
                • Aug 2002
                • 1840

                #172
                Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

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                joeboo said:
                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                MSRoble33 said:
                Even if this wasn't a deal made with a major checkbook team, this is a symbol of what's wrong with baseball...

                I'm beginning to care less and less if they even HAVE a freakin' team here. I mean, hell, if you want crappy players, you might as well have a contest before everygame to let the fans outside give it a shot... jeezus!

                I heard all these rumors of good prospects coming this way, then BAM! they unload that $2 piece of crap Jose on us... what the hell was the thought-process in THIS?!!

                Have they even WATCHED this guy play?! If we wanted to increase our strikeout total, we'd have kept Kevin Young!

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                Honestly, the only rationale is that Hernandez is a FA after this year. They let Hernandez walk and with the extra money sign a better FA 3B (or promote one from the minors - assuming someone's ready).

                The Pirates are going to rebuild. Giles and Kendall will also be gone in the next few weeks. So will Benson and Suppan.

                My only hope is that Littlefield can work his magic and bring some talented younger players in here to turn this team around...

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                This was a perfectly good chance... all this talk about Cruz, Beltran, Pie, then instead we get Jose f'n Hernandez!!!

                Why don't Littlefield just go out on downtown Pittsburgh, show a starving man a menu for a steakhouse, then hand him a small order of fries instead?

                Comment

                • mjb2124
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 13649

                  #173
                  Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

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                  MSRoble33 said:
                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  joeboo said:
                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  MSRoble33 said:
                  Even if this wasn't a deal made with a major checkbook team, this is a symbol of what's wrong with baseball...

                  I'm beginning to care less and less if they even HAVE a freakin' team here. I mean, hell, if you want crappy players, you might as well have a contest before everygame to let the fans outside give it a shot... jeezus!

                  I heard all these rumors of good prospects coming this way, then BAM! they unload that $2 piece of crap Jose on us... what the hell was the thought-process in THIS?!!

                  Have they even WATCHED this guy play?! If we wanted to increase our strikeout total, we'd have kept Kevin Young!

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  Honestly, the only rationale is that Hernandez is a FA after this year. They let Hernandez walk and with the extra money sign a better FA 3B (or promote one from the minors - assuming someone's ready).

                  The Pirates are going to rebuild. Giles and Kendall will also be gone in the next few weeks. So will Benson and Suppan.

                  My only hope is that Littlefield can work his magic and bring some talented younger players in here to turn this team around...

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  This was a perfectly good chance... all this talk about Cruz, Beltran, Pie, then instead we get Jose f'n Hernandez!!!

                  Why don't Littlefield just go out on downtown Pittsburgh, show a starving man a menu for a steakhouse, then hand him a small order of fries instead?

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  From what I gathered, those rumors that we've been hearing, weren't legit. The Cubbies refused to give up anything (cruz, wellermyer etc...). So they said "we'll take both Ramirez and Lofton off your hands, but this is what you're getting back. Otherwise, we'll look elsewhere".

                  DL had to do it. McClatchey's forcing his hand to cut payroll ASAP.

                  Don't get me wrong, I don't like the trade a whole lot, but I know it needs to be done. I'd like to see the Pirates bring up some of these young prospects that are helping Nashville, Altoona etc... lead their leagues in W/L percentage.

                  Comment

                  • mjb2124
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 13649

                    #174
                    Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

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                    MSRoble33 said:
                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    joeboo said:
                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    MSRoble33 said:
                    Even if this wasn't a deal made with a major checkbook team, this is a symbol of what's wrong with baseball...

                    I'm beginning to care less and less if they even HAVE a freakin' team here. I mean, hell, if you want crappy players, you might as well have a contest before everygame to let the fans outside give it a shot... jeezus!

                    I heard all these rumors of good prospects coming this way, then BAM! they unload that $2 piece of crap Jose on us... what the hell was the thought-process in THIS?!!

                    Have they even WATCHED this guy play?! If we wanted to increase our strikeout total, we'd have kept Kevin Young!

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    Honestly, the only rationale is that Hernandez is a FA after this year. They let Hernandez walk and with the extra money sign a better FA 3B (or promote one from the minors - assuming someone's ready).

                    The Pirates are going to rebuild. Giles and Kendall will also be gone in the next few weeks. So will Benson and Suppan.

                    My only hope is that Littlefield can work his magic and bring some talented younger players in here to turn this team around...

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    This was a perfectly good chance... all this talk about Cruz, Beltran, Pie, then instead we get Jose f'n Hernandez!!!

                    Why don't Littlefield just go out on downtown Pittsburgh, show a starving man a menu for a steakhouse, then hand him a small order of fries instead?

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    From what I gathered, those rumors that we've been hearing, weren't legit. The Cubbies refused to give up anything (cruz, wellermyer etc...). So they said "we'll take both Ramirez and Lofton off your hands, but this is what you're getting back. Otherwise, we'll look elsewhere".

                    DL had to do it. McClatchey's forcing his hand to cut payroll ASAP.

                    Don't get me wrong, I don't like the trade a whole lot, but I know it needs to be done. I'd like to see the Pirates bring up some of these young prospects that are helping Nashville, Altoona etc... lead their leagues in W/L percentage.

                    Comment

                    • mjb2124
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 13649

                      #175
                      Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

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                      MSRoble33 said:
                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      joeboo said:
                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      MSRoble33 said:
                      Even if this wasn't a deal made with a major checkbook team, this is a symbol of what's wrong with baseball...

                      I'm beginning to care less and less if they even HAVE a freakin' team here. I mean, hell, if you want crappy players, you might as well have a contest before everygame to let the fans outside give it a shot... jeezus!

                      I heard all these rumors of good prospects coming this way, then BAM! they unload that $2 piece of crap Jose on us... what the hell was the thought-process in THIS?!!

                      Have they even WATCHED this guy play?! If we wanted to increase our strikeout total, we'd have kept Kevin Young!

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      Honestly, the only rationale is that Hernandez is a FA after this year. They let Hernandez walk and with the extra money sign a better FA 3B (or promote one from the minors - assuming someone's ready).

                      The Pirates are going to rebuild. Giles and Kendall will also be gone in the next few weeks. So will Benson and Suppan.

                      My only hope is that Littlefield can work his magic and bring some talented younger players in here to turn this team around...

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      This was a perfectly good chance... all this talk about Cruz, Beltran, Pie, then instead we get Jose f'n Hernandez!!!

                      Why don't Littlefield just go out on downtown Pittsburgh, show a starving man a menu for a steakhouse, then hand him a small order of fries instead?

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      From what I gathered, those rumors that we've been hearing, weren't legit. The Cubbies refused to give up anything (cruz, wellermyer etc...). So they said "we'll take both Ramirez and Lofton off your hands, but this is what you're getting back. Otherwise, we'll look elsewhere".

                      DL had to do it. McClatchey's forcing his hand to cut payroll ASAP.

                      Don't get me wrong, I don't like the trade a whole lot, but I know it needs to be done. I'd like to see the Pirates bring up some of these young prospects that are helping Nashville, Altoona etc... lead their leagues in W/L percentage.

                      Comment

                      • MSRoble33
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 1840

                        #176
                        Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

                        Another thing, McClatchey is full of crap! There is no way in hell they lost $30 mil in the last three seasons.. They've been putting up numbers well below some teams, but not DIRE enough to equal a 30 mil loss.. hell, first year of PNC, they set attendance levels that haven't been reached in years... I think McClatchy is a lying sack..

                        Kinda funny he mentions this at trade deadline time so he can say "I told you why we had to do it.." It's a joke, and everyone in Pittsburgh knows it.. If you watch FoxSportsNet, all you see is commercials for the Pirates "Come watch us play!" I can only think now, "Why?"

                        Eh, sorry if I sound a little disgruntled, it's just, well.... i AM disgruntled...

                        You wanna pay for cheap players McClatchey? Pay me to play outfield for a "measly" $400K/year.. I'm sure i'll have as good of a glove as whoever we wind up with out there come end of the season.

                        Comment

                        • MSRoble33
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 1840

                          #177
                          Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

                          Another thing, McClatchey is full of crap! There is no way in hell they lost $30 mil in the last three seasons.. They've been putting up numbers well below some teams, but not DIRE enough to equal a 30 mil loss.. hell, first year of PNC, they set attendance levels that haven't been reached in years... I think McClatchy is a lying sack..

                          Kinda funny he mentions this at trade deadline time so he can say "I told you why we had to do it.." It's a joke, and everyone in Pittsburgh knows it.. If you watch FoxSportsNet, all you see is commercials for the Pirates "Come watch us play!" I can only think now, "Why?"

                          Eh, sorry if I sound a little disgruntled, it's just, well.... i AM disgruntled...

                          You wanna pay for cheap players McClatchey? Pay me to play outfield for a "measly" $400K/year.. I'm sure i'll have as good of a glove as whoever we wind up with out there come end of the season.

                          Comment

                          • MSRoble33
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 1840

                            #178
                            Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

                            Another thing, McClatchey is full of crap! There is no way in hell they lost $30 mil in the last three seasons.. They've been putting up numbers well below some teams, but not DIRE enough to equal a 30 mil loss.. hell, first year of PNC, they set attendance levels that haven't been reached in years... I think McClatchy is a lying sack..

                            Kinda funny he mentions this at trade deadline time so he can say "I told you why we had to do it.." It's a joke, and everyone in Pittsburgh knows it.. If you watch FoxSportsNet, all you see is commercials for the Pirates "Come watch us play!" I can only think now, "Why?"

                            Eh, sorry if I sound a little disgruntled, it's just, well.... i AM disgruntled...

                            You wanna pay for cheap players McClatchey? Pay me to play outfield for a "measly" $400K/year.. I'm sure i'll have as good of a glove as whoever we wind up with out there come end of the season.

                            Comment

                            • griffy97
                              *t's * 'B*rgh Th*ng!
                              • May 2003
                              • 364

                              #179
                              Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

                              I seriously believe Dave Littlefield is the man that convinced McClatchy this was the way to go.

                              In truth, adding the pieces they added this past off-season didn't work. They still stink. They're inconsistent. There's a lack of leadership. Really, how else are you gonna do it? Kendall's the highest paid guy on the team and he's mediocre, at best. In fact, he's a lousy catcher who can't block the plate, has too many paseed balls, and doesn't throw runners out. He doesn't hit for power nor does he drive in runs. He's got decent speed, but he's not a basestealer. He's costing the team $42 million over the duration of his contract. Ramirez has power and is streaky who can drive in runs, but he's got an attitude and he's lackadaisical in the field. Plus, he becomes a FA after 2004 and you know he's gonna command BIG BUCKS. Those of you who remember Dave Parker will remember once he became baseball's highest paid player (@ $1 mil per year), he became a fat, lazy dog who was injured half the time. He didn't do well until his FA year in 1983. Then, he signed with the Reds.

                              Littlefield will live and die by putting HIS stamp on the Pittsburgh Pirates. So far, that's pitching, defense, and discipline. The Pirates have had very little of any of them from their "core" guys.

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                              • griffy97
                                *t's * 'B*rgh Th*ng!
                                • May 2003
                                • 364

                                #180
                                Re: cubs get Lofton/ Ramirez

                                I seriously believe Dave Littlefield is the man that convinced McClatchy this was the way to go.

                                In truth, adding the pieces they added this past off-season didn't work. They still stink. They're inconsistent. There's a lack of leadership. Really, how else are you gonna do it? Kendall's the highest paid guy on the team and he's mediocre, at best. In fact, he's a lousy catcher who can't block the plate, has too many paseed balls, and doesn't throw runners out. He doesn't hit for power nor does he drive in runs. He's got decent speed, but he's not a basestealer. He's costing the team $42 million over the duration of his contract. Ramirez has power and is streaky who can drive in runs, but he's got an attitude and he's lackadaisical in the field. Plus, he becomes a FA after 2004 and you know he's gonna command BIG BUCKS. Those of you who remember Dave Parker will remember once he became baseball's highest paid player (@ $1 mil per year), he became a fat, lazy dog who was injured half the time. He didn't do well until his FA year in 1983. Then, he signed with the Reds.

                                Littlefield will live and die by putting HIS stamp on the Pittsburgh Pirates. So far, that's pitching, defense, and discipline. The Pirates have had very little of any of them from their "core" guys.

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