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  • Chaos81
    Hall Of Fame
    • Mar 2004
    • 17150

    #16
    Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

    Originally posted by Wavebird99
    I forgot Beltran was in the Royals system
    Yep. I still remember him in a Royals uniform. Still remember when I found out he was traded too.

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    • Steelersfan85
      Pro
      • Apr 2007
      • 738

      #17
      Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

      Originally posted by MiA's Finest
      haha, i didnt make it clear enough I forgot to put the brewers. But that trade ultimately resulted in C.C. going to NY...
      This is far from the worst trade of the decade. C.C. was leaving at the end of the year no matter what and the Tribe wasn't in contention so they were looking to trade him for prospects. Brantley has struggled at the major league level but dominated in AAA so he still could be a great player in the future. While they might not have gotten the best prospects they could have gotten it was still not a bad trade. The Manny for Jason Bay wasn't bad either because the Red Sox were just looking to get Manny off of the team.
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      • Bellsprout
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        • Oct 2009
        • 25652

        #18
        Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

        If I remember correctly at all, LaPorta was a pretty highly ranked prospect at the time when we gave him to Cleveland for CC.
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        • Steelersfan85
          Pro
          • Apr 2007
          • 738

          #19
          Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

          Originally posted by Dayman
          If I remember correctly at all, LaPorta was a pretty highly ranked prospect at the time when we gave him to Cleveland for CC.
          That was my bad they didn't get Brantley in that deal it was LaPorta and he is the Indians starting first baseman of the future. It wasn't a terrible deal considering LaPorta is much better then what they would have gotten with the draft pick compensations and he had more experience then any draft pick would.
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          • Chip Douglass
            Hall Of Fame
            • Dec 2005
            • 12256

            #20
            Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

            Originally posted by MiA's Finest
            Wrong. Manny Ramirez played only 104 games in his second season while Jason Bay played 153.
            No, that's called selection bias. You have to look at overall games played, and as your next point indicates, Bay isn't even with the Red Sox any more.

            Also, although Jason Bay is with the NYM now, overall games played Jason bay played more games.
            This is just flat out wrong. Ramirez has played in more games with the Dodgers than Bay played with the Red Sox.

            Even if you looked at the highly selective time frame of 2008-2009 (in which Bay played 43 more games), Ramirez still out-WARed Bay significantly because he was a much better hitter.

            And Manny recently stated he will be leaving L.A. this year... His play was good at best. Where it was expected to be spectacular.
            Good at best?

            That's an absurd thing to say. He had a 1.232 OPS with the Dodgers in 2008 and he's had a career line of .323/.434/.582 in LA.

            Boston was the CLEAR winner of that trade.
            Again, a year and 1/3 of a pretty good left-fielder vs. Ramirez's .323/.434/.582, 171 OPS+ line.

            This isn't even debatable. Boston clearly downgraded from LF in that trade.
            Last edited by Chip Douglass; 08-07-2010, 02:12 AM.
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            • l3ulvl
              Hall Of Fame
              • Dec 2009
              • 17250

              #21
              Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

              Originally posted by rsox
              The only thing bad about that trade was the contract extension given to Dontrelle Willis after the trade. None of the players the Marlins got have done much of anything at the big league level and the Tigers even brought Rabelo back (though they recently released him).
              Yep, the Marlins probably don't even make that trade unless they can give up Dontrelle, like they knew something. But still, that doesn't excuse extending him lol. I actually thought this would end up being an equal deal after watching Andrew Miller and Cam Maybin (who's first career homer came off Roger Clemens), they still have time but wow seems like they should have made more of an impact by now.
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              • MiA's Finest
                Rookie
                • Aug 2010
                • 17

                #22
                Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

                Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
                No, that's called selection bias. You have to look at overall games played, and as your next point indicates, Bay isn't even with the Red Sox any more.



                218 games played for Bay with the Red vs. 200 games played for Ramirez with the Dodgers. Not alot of difference there.



                Good at best?

                That's an absurd thing to say.



                Again, a year and 1/3 of a pretty good left-fielder vs. Ramirez's .323/.434/.582, 171 OPS+ line.

                This isn't even debatable. Boston clearly downgraded from LF in that trade.
                First of all, I looked at both over all played. Second of all, the difference is CLEARLY in the 18 games. And yes, good at best. Obviously the numbers he put up are largely increased because HE PLAYED LESS GAMES. Your arguement is pathetic due to the fact that you keep stating the same info even though I explained why the numbers are so high. I'm sure your rebuttal will be just as "informative". Just give it up. Like you said it isn't even debatable. Also, if you even know a little bit of about baseball, you'd know that the 18 games are what make the difference. So don't waste my time with long, tedious and ignorant answers if you aren't going to make a valid point. DONE.
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                • Chip Douglass
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 12256

                  #23
                  Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

                  Originally posted by MiA's Finest
                  First of all, I looked at both over all played. Second of all, the difference is CLEARLY in the 18 games. And yes, good at best. Obviously the numbers he put up are largely increased because HE PLAYED LESS GAMES. Your arguement is pathetic due to the fact that you keep stating the same info even though I explained why the numbers are so high. I'm sure your rebuttal will be just as "informative". Just give it up. Like you said it isn't even debatable. Also, if you even know a little bit of about baseball, you'd know that the 18 games are what make the difference. So don't waste my time with long, tedious and ignorant answers if you aren't going to make a valid point. DONE.
                  I suggest you re-read my edit, since your numbers about games played are just flat out wrong. Ramirez actually played in more games. Not to mention, I was using AVERAGES, not totals, so the 18 less games (which isn't even that big of a difference, even if it was true) are totally irrelevant.

                  If you're going to call someone out for ignorance, make sure that you know what you're talking about yourself. Your numbers were phony.
                  Last edited by Chip Douglass; 08-07-2010, 02:22 AM.
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                  • Chip Douglass
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 12256

                    #24
                    Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

                    And a line of .323/.434/.582 is merely good?







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                    • Chip Douglass
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 12256

                      #25
                      Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

                      Originally posted by MiA's Finest
                      You were PARTIALLY right and I give you props.
                      My bad, I did sort of take it a little too seriously.
                      Apology accepted. I'm glad we handled it through PMs.

                      You're not required to agree with me, but I just wanted to know what the basis behind your opinion was. We'll just agree to disagree.

                      I'll make sure to get the numbers right myself next time, since I mixed up the amount of games played between Man-Ram/Bay.
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                      • MiA's Finest
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 17

                        #26
                        Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

                        Alright. Agreed.
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                        • Melanconfan
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                          • May 2008
                          • 242

                          #27
                          Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

                          Maybe not on the level of some of the others but

                          To Yanks:
                          Nick Swisher
                          Kanekoa Texeira

                          To CWS:
                          Wilson Betemit
                          Jeff Marquez
                          Jhonny Nunez

                          Swisher has a 137 OPS+ since and, even though he was lost to Rule 5, Texeira has been a serviceable reliever this year. Betemit played 20 games for Chicago and Marquez and Nunez have done nothing.

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                          • Reaman
                            MVP
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 2917

                            #28
                            Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

                            Originally posted by Melanconfan
                            Maybe not on the level of some of the others but

                            To Yanks:
                            Nick Swisher
                            Kanekoa Texeira

                            To CWS:
                            Wilson Betemit
                            Jeff Marquez
                            Jhonny Nunez

                            Swisher has a 137 OPS+ since and, even though he was lost to Rule 5, Texeira has been a serviceable reliever this year. Betemit played 20 games for Chicago and Marquez and Nunez have done nothing.
                            Same level or not, Nick Swisher has been great as a Yankee. Very smart move by Brian Cashman.

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                            • OSUFan_88
                              Outback Jesus
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 25642

                              #29
                              Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

                              Originally posted by Steelersfan85
                              That was my bad they didn't get Brantley in that deal it was LaPorta and he is the Indians starting first baseman of the future. It wasn't a terrible deal considering LaPorta is much better then what they would have gotten with the draft pick compensations and he had more experience then any draft pick would.
                              They got Brantley and LaPorta for CC.

                              However, the worst was easily Cliff Lee for a bucket of liquid hot crap from the Phillies.

                              Carlos Carrasco is a below average pitcher, Lou Marson is a backup at best, Jason Donald is a utility player and Knapp is damaged goods in the midst of a rehab.

                              Yeah, real good Shap. Let's not forget Lee was traded for Halladay and Smoak the next year...
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                              • Shakedowncapo
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 4031

                                #30
                                Re: Worst and Best Trade Moves of the 2000's

                                Originally posted by l3ulvl
                                For worst trade I nominate the Tigers trade for Juan Gonzalez.

                                EDIT: My mistake, that happened in November '99, just missing the 2000s... So I'll go in the other direction and say the Tigers trade for Miguel Cabrera.
                                How exactly was this a bad trade?

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