Sizing Up the Cy Young Competition

[BatsareBugs]

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Latos doesn't deserve consideration not because he hasn't done well this season, but because he hasn't contributed as many innings as the rest of the leaders for the Cy Young.

You can't be greedy, but who knows how the ROTY race would be if the Padres didn't have him make his last two stats when was obvious that his arm was dead.

For my current picks, I'll pick Roy Halladay over Adam Wainwright in the National League and as the American League, ignoring records I think the Cliff Lee or Felix Hernandez would be deserving of the honor, but since records are a big deal in these things, I'll give David Price the nod at this point (and a bunch sabremetricians are rolling over their stats because of my pick).

[Buckeye]

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Jimmnez and Lee

[TheMatrix31]

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Lee and Wainwright.

[dalnet22]

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It's amazing to think a last place team could have the Cy Young winner and the runner up.

(If Seattle had kept Lee, they'd still be in last)

[rsox]

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Felix Hernandez has a losing record and the writers are not going to give the Cy Young award to a starter with a losing or even a .500 record. Cliff Lee has been terrible his last 2 starts and since going to Texas has raised his ERA almost a run so i'm not sure he is a lock anymore. I think Sabathia will likely take it in the AL he will likely win 20 games, and will probably finish in the top 5 in ERA, which are two of the 3 stats the writers care about anyway.

Jimenez has an ERA of almost 2 runs higher in the second half than he had in the first half and has not been as automatic since the break. I think the NL will be a fight between Halladay and Wainwright. Both will likely win 20 games, both are 1 and 2 in the NL in ERA and that will probably stay the same, both are even 1 and 2 in CG and SHO's.

[Melanconfan]

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Knowing the BBWAA it's probably between CC and Price for the AL and Wainwright, Jimenez, and Halladay for the NL. Barring a dramatic change of course.

[djep]

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I would give the nod to Wainwright in the NL - the guy has been as consistent and dominant as anyone. I don't follow the NL as closely as I do the AL so I could be wrong about that one.

The AL is between Price and CC with Bucholz as my dark horse pick. Cliff Lee would be a shoo-in if he performs better with Texas but you can't give the Cy Young to a guy who has floundered when put into a pennant race situation. He did fine and dandy when there was nothing to play for in Seattle but his Texas performance is not CY worthy.

Price and CC still have big games coming up in September so it's still up for grabs. And if Bucholz can lead that shaky Boston staff into the postseason he might well deserve the award too.

[Lintyfresh85]

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The AL is between Price and CC with Bucholz as my dark horse pick. Cliff Lee would be a shoo-in if he performs better with Texas but you can't give the Cy Young to a guy who has floundered when put into a pennant race situation. He did fine and dandy when there was nothing to play for in Seattle but his Texas performance is not CY worthy.

Somebody sure has a short memory. 2009 Playoffs say hello.

[Reaman]

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Adam Wainwright

Other - AL - Carsten Charles Sabathia

[Ewing]

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I went with Johnson but I really would have to flip a coin between him and Halladay. It's too close to call and I have no problem with either winning.

Lee is the obvious choice for the AL. He's gonna set the record for the best K/BB ratio in the history of baseball. How do you not give it to him?

[rsox]

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I went with Johnson but I really would have to flip a coin between him and Halladay. It's too close to call and I have no problem with either winning.

Lee is the obvious choice for the AL. He's gonna set the record for the best K/BB ratio in the history of baseball. How do you not give it to him?

Because the writers only care about ERA, Wins, and Strikeouts. He will not lead the league in wins and unless he has a huge final month won't finish in the top 5. Right now he is 7th in ERA and again if he doesn't turn that around in september won't finish in the top 5. While the K/BB ratio is impressive it would be more so if he lead the league in K's or was at least among the leaders, right now he is tied for 9th. Unfortunately i really think it is Sabathia's award to lose at this point.

[Ewing]

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Because the writers only care about ERA, Wins, and Strikeouts. He will not lead the league in wins and unless he has a huge final month won't finish in the top 5. Right now he is 7th in ERA and again if he doesn't turn that around in september won't finish in the top 5. While the K/BB ratio is impressive it would be more so if he lead the league in K's or was at least among the leaders, right now he is tied for 9th. Unfortunately i really think it is Sabathia's award to lose at this point.

Oh I see, you're going by what WILL happen, I was going by what SHOULD happen. If I went by my expectations regarding the ever present stupidity of the BBWAA, I'd just pick the wins leader every single season. I'd probably be right 75 percent of the time.

[rsox]

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Oh I see, you're going by what WILL happen, I was going by what SHOULD happen. If I went by my expectations regarding the ever present stupidity of the BBWAA, I'd just pick the wins leader every single season. I'd probably be right 75 percent of the time.

Even with the K/BB ratio he still shouldn't win the award because there are pitchers with better stats this year.

And before anyone goes all sabermetrical he doesn't lead in any of those stats either.

[Speedy]

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Cliff Lee is getting beat up pretty good lately so I doubt, even being a great pitcher, he is going to win the CY especially in the launchpad of Arlington.

[Chip Douglass]

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Even with the K/BB ratio he still shouldn't win the award because there are pitchers with better stats this year.

And before anyone goes all sabermetrical he doesn't lead in any of those stats either.

The list of pitchers with better stats than Lee is probably limited to one: Francisco Liriano and he's averaging almost 2 IP less per start than Lee. You can't ignore the fact that Lee is maxing out his innings this year at a level unseen since 1994 Greg Maddux, the last time a pitcher threw 160 innings and averaged 8 IP a start.

It's the same thing with Halladay and Johnson. Even though they're virtually similar pitchers in terms of quality this year, Halladay has thrown 34 more innings than Johnson this year in the same number of starts.