Sizing Up the Cy Young Competition

[snepp]

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I'd go with Halladay over Johnson, and Lee over Hernandez.

[42]

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I voted Lee and Johnson.

Right as I'm reading this I'm listening to Michael Kay say it should be Sabathia edging out Price.

Michael Kay needs to shut his mouth - can't stand that douche.

[pennstlbu]

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And to think, King Felix wasn't even an All-Star this year.

[djep]

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Somebody sure has a short memory. 2009 Playoffs say hello.

I'm not saying that Cliff Lee can't handle the pressure or isn't a big time pitcher. I just meant that his numbers this year were compiled while playing in Seattle and since he's been traded to Texas, has not performed nearly as well. Doesn't mean he's not one of the premier pitchers in the game.

[NotoriousReignz]

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CC all the way, he doesn't know what losing is.

[Ewing]

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CC all the way, he doesn't know what losing is.

[GreenReign86]

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King Felix FTW. He has had a statistically better year this year then last it seems. Yet he is 10-10 this season, and was 19-5 last year (still say he was robbed of the Cy but meh). It isn't his fault he has had crappy run support. Wins are a team stat, not an indevidual stat. Also, eventhough he plays in a divison not noted for it's offense, outside of Texas, he has actually had some of his rougher outtings of the season against teams like the Angels, and Rangers. Yet, some of his best starts have been against the Yankees, Rays, and Red Sox. His line against the Yankees for the season is; GS 3, CG 2, SO 2, IP 26, W/L 3-0, ERA 0.35, 29 K's. And he is just coming off from a dominating performance against the Red Sox today. So he has had some of his best performances against the best the game has to offer. Plus he is top 2 or 3 in almost every single meaningfull stat. In my mind he is the best pitcher in baseball.

So if all of what I just said is not Cy Young worthy, I don't know what is.

[GreenReign86]

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And to think, King Felix wasn't even an All-Star this year.

Which was a joke and further proof Joe Girardi is an idiot. The ONLY reason Girardi didn't select Felix, was because he had his prideful feelings hurt by the King, two times in the span of a week, just before the ASG. To the tune of two straight dominating complete game shutout victories. In which he made his team look like a bunch of schoolgirls with whiffle bats in their hands. This is evedent by him selecting Verlander over him, which was flat out laughable. Since Felix beat Verlander in a couple head to head starts earlier in the year. And Verlander's ERA was almost a full run higher then Felix's at the time of selection.

[djep]

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Which was a joke and further proof Joe Girardi is an idiot. The ONLY reason Girardi didn't select Felix, was because he had his prideful feelings hurt by the King, two times in the span of a week, just before the ASG. To the tune of two straight dominating complete game shutout victories. In which he made his team look like a bunch of schoolgirls with whiffle bats in their hands. This is evedent by him selecting Verlander over him, which was flat out laughable. Since Felix beat Verlander in a couple head to head starts earlier in the year. And Verlander's ERA was almost a full run higher then Felix's at the time of selection.

No doubt King Felix was deserving but his first half wasn't as great as his second half has been. And the whole rule about needing one rep from every team hurt his cause as Carmona had to take a spot.

Also Jered Weaver had better numbers than Felix and didn't make it - for an ASG in his home park nonetheless. Every year some deserving players get snubbed but to attribute it to some personal vendetta after being dominated by said player earlier in the year - I don't buy it.

[Brandon13]

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Roy Halladay and Felix Hernandez at the moment.

[pennstlbu]

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No doubt King Felix was deserving but his first half wasn't as great as his second half has been. And the whole rule about needing one rep from every team hurt his cause as Carmona had to take a spot.

Also Jered Weaver had better numbers than Felix and didn't make it - for an ASG in his home park nonetheless. Every year some deserving players get snubbed but to attribute it to some personal vendetta after being dominated by said player earlier in the year - I don't buy it.

Nope, Girardi didn't select Felix because he threw 125 pitches on the Saturday before the All-Star game and that he "wouldn't feel good about putting him in a game on Tuesday." What a lame excuse.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2012334583_felix_hernandez_denied_all-sta.html?syndication=rss

[GreenReign86]

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Felix's ERA is about the same as Grienke's was last year when he won it. And he only won 14 games I believe. In his last start Felix pitched 7 innings struck out 8, and didn't allow a run, yet got a ND, then the team proceeded to score in the 8th to help Brandon League collect his 9th win out of the BP. This has gotten to the point where it's almost laughable. If CC wins the Cy over Felix, I swear I'm going to jump out my effing window. Same goes with Gutierrez, if he gets robbed of a gold glove again this year.

[rsox]

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Felix's ERA is about the same as Grienke's was last year when he won it. And he only won 14 games I believe. In his last start Felix pitched 7 innings struck out 8, and didn't allow a run, yet got a ND, then the team proceeded to score in the 8th to help Brandon League collect his 9th win out of the BP. This has gotten to the point where it's almost laughable. If CC wins the Cy over Felix, I swear I'm going to jump out my effing window. Same goes with Gutierrez, if he gets robbed of a gold glove again this year.

Grienke went 16-8 last season.

I hope you have lived a fullfilling life because the writers are not going to give a pitcher with a .500 record or lower the Cy Young award no matter how low his ERA. However, if Hernandez runs the table and wins all of his remaining starts he would have a much better chance. Thats just the way it is.

[GreenReign86]

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My bedroom window is on the 2nd floor so I'd probably only break a leg lol. However, it is a joke that the BBWAA even looks at wins when voting on the Cy Young. Wins are to pitchers what RBI's are to hitters. Both are very overrated stats, in which you have to largely rely on your team mates to accumulate a high number in, and they tell you very little about the skill of that player.

Felix for the month of August; 2-3, 0.86 ERA, 10.16 K/9

BBWAA are idiots if they don't give him the Cy. And there is a 1st time for everything, a sub .500 pitcher has to win it at some point, and hell even closers have won it. If Gibson had gone 10-10 the year he had a 1.16 ERA, do you think the writers would give him the Cy? The players, and managers, not the writers, should vote for all seasonal awards anyways.

[Chip Douglass]

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BBWAA are idiots

True.

if they don't give him the Cy.

But not for this particular reason. Lee and Liriano are still solidly in the conversation.