Derek Jeter

[Sportsforever]

Re: Derek Jeter

I'd just like to point out that in 2009 Jeter had one of the better years of his career. I know he's going to be 37 and coming off a down year, but the man can still play imo. I wouldn't be surprised if he bounces back with a good year next year.

[DrJones]

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I agree to a certain extent. Both sides will have to give some. There is no way he makes anything close to the $20+ million he made over the past 5 years....maybe $10M or $12M...it won't be $6M.

There's a rumour circulating on ESPN.com that Jeter turned down a 3/63 offer from the Yankees. Heh.

[steelcurtain311]

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He'll get his money, and get way overpaid, but that's NY for you. They can't let him go, he has a legacy there. Not to mention, where would they go from there? His bat is still an extremely important part of that team, as is his leadership in the clubhouse. It's not as if SS's with his talent are growing on trees. It's just the age factor. He could drop off the face of the planet any time from now until he's 40. It's such a risk to give that age big money. I think the Yankees are still kicking themselves for paying Roger a billion dollars for like 15 starts or whatever it was, that one half-season.

[NYJets]

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There's a rumour circulating on ESPN.com that Jeter turned down a 3/63 offer from the Yankees. Heh.

They are saying that the Yankees are willing to pay him that type of money, but don't want to go over 3 years. Jeter wants at least 4 and up to 6 years.


I don't see the Yankees giving in here. If they are offering $21 million a year, no one else is going to even come close to that. They can just wait it out.

Then again, a few years ago they had A-Rod by the balls when no other team came close to paying him the money he wanted. Then they went ahead and pretty much met all his demands.

[jth1331]

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They are saying that the Yankees are willing to pay him that type of money, but don't want to go over 3 years. Jeter wants at least 4 and up to 6 years.


I don't see the Yankees giving in here. If they are offering $21 million a year, no one else is going to even come close to that. They can just wait it out.

Then again, a few years ago they had A-Rod by the balls when no other team came close to paying him the money he wanted. Then they went ahead and pretty much met all his demands.

Yeah, I guess Yankees have the attitude of "F it, whatever, lets just get this outta the way and done, I don't care if I'm overpaying"
Kind of like buying a TV now for $1,500 when next week you know it will be $500.

[rsox]

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Interestingly, the next offer beingreported is for 3 years and $45 million. The Yankees are taking $15 million off the table.

Supposedly this is not about money for Jeter, but about years. Jeter wants to play until at least 40 and a 4 year contract would (barring injury) all but guarentee that.

[TheMatrix31]

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There is literally no chance in hell that Derek Jeter goes anywhere.

[CMH]

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I'm sure if I'm thinking it then smarter minds have as well. Why no inclusion of option years?

The Yankees are doing a great service to their organization by leaking the contract offer. And I'm being serious. There's no way fans can say that the Yankees are low balling their Captain or doing what they did to Bernie Williams and exiling him altogether.

I get the feeling that Derek Jeter is going to lose a bit of his credibility when this is completed. For a guy that many fans defended as being about the integrity of the game and excusing him of his mega-deal 10 years ago because he's "Derek Jeter," he's not doing a good job of showing respect in return to an organization that has done nothing but defend his every move.

[rsox]

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How much of this has to do with the fact that Alex Rodriguez is signed thru the age 42?.

Does anyone think that this is Jeter's way of saying "I'm your captain, why not me too?".

[CMH]

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How much of this has to do with the fact that Alex Rodriguez is signed thru the age 42?.

Does anyone think that this is Jeter's way of saying "I'm your captain, why not me too?".

Well, he's right except that a few things come into play here:

1. Rodriguez got his deal after another solid season. Jeter unfortunately comes into this one looking like he's on a hard decline.

2. Rodriguez is a power bat that despite a drop off in performance is still a 30 HR, 100 RBI run producer for the middle of the lineup. It's easier to justify overpaying for that.

Jeter isn't a run producer. He's a table setter and unfortunately, table setters do not have as easy a job commanding dollars.

3. Cashman has taken the lead on this after Hal Steinbrenner nearly crapped himself because he thought Rodriguez was serious about leaving. The Yankees know Jeter could not be serious about leaving. And they are willing to wait it out because they know he knows that the Yankees brand will always live, but Jeter needs the Yankees to continue being immortal.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Well, he's right except that a few things come into play here:

1. Rodriguez got his deal after another solid season. Jeter unfortunately comes into this one looking like he's on a hard decline.

2. Rodriguez is a power bat that despite a drop off in performance is still a 30 HR, 100 RBI run producer for the middle of the lineup. It's easier to justify overpaying for that.

Jeter isn't a run producer. He's a table setter and unfortunately, table setters do not have as easy a job commanding dollars.

3. Cashman has taken the lead on this after Hal Steinbrenner nearly crapped himself because he thought Rodriguez was serious about leaving. The Yankees know Jeter could not be serious about leaving. And they are willing to wait it out because they know he knows that the Yankees brand will always live, but Jeter needs the Yankees to continue being immortal.

This last bit you touched on is exactly what is at play here.

[ASB37]

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I really feel like the Yankees have all the leverage here. Jeter is not going to get nearly as much money anywhere else if he leaves the Yankees. If it's all about the money to him, which I have no idea it is, his best bet is staying with the Yanks. Paying Jeter for his "brand" only really applies if hes the captain of the Yankees. If he goes to play SS for the orioles, I dont think they're going to throw in another $10 million more than he's worth because he's Derek Jeter.

[lanceroten]

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Jeter's not going anywhere. Impossible to put a value on his worth to the Yankees the last 15 years. No way to look at statistics and place a value on him. People could sabermetric him to death, WAR him to death, and it wouldn't tell the story. No DJ, no 5 World Series titles in 15 years. By my calculations that makes his wins above replacement off the chart. Pay him whatever he wants.

[Trevytrev11]

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Jeter's not going anywhere. Impossible to put a value on his worth to the Yankees the last 15 years. No way to look at statistics and place a value on him. People could sabermetric him to death, WAR him to death, and it wouldn't tell the story. No DJ, no 5 World Series titles in 15 years. By my calculations that makes his wins above replacement off the chart. Pay him whatever he wants.

But hasn't he already been paid for that? He made $20+M last year, while his play was worth 1/3 of that. I would think the payment for him being this generations Joe D has already been paid over the course of his last $180M contract. He may think he is worth $15-$20 to New York, but to any other team he is worth 1/2 of that. He's going to have to budge because no other organization is going to pay anything close to that for a 36+ year old declining short stop with declining range and declining offense at a prime position.

He can play the captain card all he wants, but he was all but absent in October this year with the rest of the Yankee's multi-million dollar offensive players. It's not a knock on him. He's just going through what every other non-steroid using player goes through at this point in his career.

He's made his money. They Yankee's have compensated him more than generously for his tenure there. He has to realize that he is no longer the cornerstone of that organization and means even less to any other one.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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I do not think it is about money with Jeter. It is the length of contract. He feels probably "left out" because it was only 3 years and not the 4-5 he wants.

They just threw him a large amount at first to get him to bite. He did not cause of the years his party claims, so the Yankees offered the same years with a lower dollar amount.

I throw up in my mouth when I think that 10 mil a freaking damn year is not good enough especially when one year you made 20.

Anyhow, I do not want to think about that part of the sport, or it will make me cynical towards it. Now excuse me while I concentrate on the simplistic yet intricate beauty of the sport of baseball, and ignore the contractual side of things.