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"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Re: Derek Jeter
A poster from another site:
"Most teams get hometown discounts on long time players, the Yankees pay double."
Can't believe he was offered 15 million and can't believe he turned it down.JayElectronicaBluElzhi2PacTheNotoriousB.I.G.ReksSc arfaceFashawnJeruThaDamajaComment
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Re: Derek Jeter
At 36, 15 million is probably more than he's worth in expected on the field performance, but I think there are a few things to consider. First off he means a lot to that team and city. The Yankees will live on without him, but it would definitely be a PR blow to let Jeter go. Also there is his on the field performance which excluding last year, that seems more like an anomaly than a new trend, he's still a very good player. The other thing to consider is that just recently one of his teammates, Alex Rodriguez, got a completely ridiculous deal that even passed the ridiculous contract he was under before.Comment
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Re: Derek Jeter
Correct. Jeter's likely to rebound in 2011 to some degree. The Yankees know this. The question is, how good is he going to be in 2014-2016?
Yup, but it's apples and oranges. A-Rod had a ton of leverage at the time. He was 32 and coming off a monstrous season: 54 HR, 156 RBI, .314/.422/.645, AL MVP.
I'm guessing the Yankees are as concerned with Jeter's role going forward as they are about the money and PR hit. If Jeter's ego leaves him unwilling to budge from wanting a 5/100 deal or thereabouts, then he's not going to look too kindly upon being asked to move from SS or bat 8th in the lineup down the road. This isn't like when the O's (and their fans) were content to trot out a semi-useless Cal Ripken at 3B every day near the end of his career. Love them or hate them (I fall into the latter category), the Yankees are in the business of winning championships. If Jeter's willing to put his iconic status in front of the New York's on-field success (not saying he is, but the events of the last couple weeks make this a possibility), it stands to reason that the Yankees find this out now rather than hand Jeter a blank cheque.Originally posted by Thrash13Originally posted by slickdtcOriginally posted by Kipnis22Comment
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Re: Derek Jeter
I can't believe Jeter turned down $15 mil. I'm currently losing a lot of respect for him as this news keeps coming out.Samsung PN60F8500 PDP / Anthem MRX 720 / Klipsch RC-62 II / Klipsch RF-82 II (x2) / Insignia NS-B2111 (x2) / SVS PC13-Ultra / SVS SB-2000 / Sony MDR-7506 Professional / Audio-Technica ATH-R70x / Sony PS3 & PS4 / DirecTV HR44-500 / DarbeeVision DVP-5000 / Panamax M5400-PM / Elgato HD60Comment
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Re: Derek Jeter
Apparently, Jeter's original asking price was 6/150, so...yeah. This should be interesting.Originally posted by Thrash13Originally posted by slickdtcOriginally posted by Kipnis22Comment
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Re: Derek Jeter
Still think there's only one way this ends, and that's Jeter signing for the Yankees offer, or possibly a slightly improved offer, either an extra year, or a few more million. The ONLY leverage Jeter has is that they know the Yankees aren't going to sign a new shortstop, or pull the offer from the table. So he'll wait it out and hope the Yankees cave. It shouldn't happen, it probably won't happen, but there's very little downside for him to wait, and no reason for him to jump at the first offer.Originally posted by Jay BilasComment
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Re: Derek Jeter
I'll say he signs for 3/$55.Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists AssociationComment
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Re: Derek Jeter
turned down a 21 million dollar a year offer??? are you kidding me jeter? u had your worst offensive year in your career last year. Why do you believe you deserve this much? SMHMLB - OAKLAND ATHLETICS
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"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Re: Derek Jeter
If Jeter won't budge from 6/$150 million, I have no problem if the Yankees let him go. If he thinks he can find some team to sign him to that he's nuts, but if he actually can, more power to him. I just think it won't be in pinstripes.
In reality both sides will cave in a little and Jeter will prbably sign a 4 year deal for $18 milllion per.Go Yankees
Go Rangers
Go Giants
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Re: Derek Jeter
Based on Jeters play last year, he doesn't deserve more than 5. And if he put up numbers like he did in 08, I wouldn't go over 10.
He is a liability at shorstop, no range. He doesn't hit for power. I still think he will hit around .300 next year, and that his drop off in 2010 doesn't mean he is falling apart.
But at best you have a horrible defensive shortstop, who isn't blazing fast, who doesn't hit power. He will hit for average, and drive in 60-70. How much he is worth?
Jhonny Peralta put up better numbers across the board last year. He beat Jeter is almost every statistical category. His average wasn't as high, and he didn't get on base as much, but he drove in 81 runs. He played the same defense Jeter did. Fundamentally sound, but no range.
Peralta just signed for 6 million a season, and he has best years in front of him. Jeter defenitely doesn't.
The Yankees could trade for a better shortstop, and give up prospects who won't ever play in New York. And then they could use that 20 million and go sign Crawford. Voila, you have a much better team.
15 million was outrageously generous. Any more than that? Sheesh. New York could very easily go swing a trade for somebody like Stephen Drew and save themselves a hundred million.
I've always been a fan of Jeter even though I never really liked the Yankee's. I hate they way they do buisness. But I'm on New York's side. Even they need to have limits sometimes.JayElectronicaBluElzhi2PacTheNotoriousB.I.G.ReksSc arfaceFashawnJeruThaDamajaComment
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