It's getting to be UNDENYABLE

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-03-2003, 12:13 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

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dce1228 said:
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AI_Franchise03 said:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

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Totally, let's see Bonds be versatile enough to play DH like Giambi can.

AI, this thread is about Bonds. Love how you proudly claim how you "don't bring Giambi up"... but look what you did!... look who you accidentally brought up!... in a Bonds thread!.. If you want to slob on Giambi's knob do it somewhere else. Start another thread. Write an essay. Entitle it "the underrated Diplodocus of Gotham"...

As for Bonds. I will confess to not being his greatest fan in times past, but I've gotten over that in the last few years and can honestly say it's been a pleasure watching him play ball. We'll remember what he's doing now for the rest of our lives.

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I didn't even bring up Giambi! Show me where I brought up Giambi, and used it to to his defense? All I said was that shifts, shouldn't come into discussion, when talking about a person's offense.

And you damn know if the Giants had an upcoming good LF, and had the DH rule, Bonds would be DH-ing everyday. Then, we would see a differential that may bring up the point that being a DH isn't as easy, or as healthy as many think.

And TO, Bonds isn't hitting .400.

**MuffinMcFluffin** · 09-03-2003, 12:27 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

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AI_Franchise03 said:
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dce1228 said:
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AI_Franchise03 said:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

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Totally, let's see Bonds be versatile enough to play DH like Giambi can.

AI, this thread is about Bonds. Love how you proudly claim how you "don't bring Giambi up"... but look what you did!... look who you accidentally brought up!... in a Bonds thread!.. If you want to slob on Giambi's knob do it somewhere else. Start another thread. Write an essay. Entitle it "the underrated Diplodocus of Gotham"...

As for Bonds. I will confess to not being his greatest fan in times past, but I've gotten over that in the last few years and can honestly say it's been a pleasure watching him play ball. We'll remember what he's doing now for the rest of our lives.

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I didn't even bring up Giambi! Show me where I brought up Giambi, and used it to to his defense? All I said was that shifts, shouldn't come into discussion, when talking about a person's offense.

And you damn know if the Giants had an upcoming good LF, and had the DH rule, Bonds would be DH-ing everyday. Then, we would see a differential that may bring up the point that being a DH isn't as easy, or as healthy as many think.

And TO, Bonds isn't hitting .400.

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QUOTED BY AI_FRANCHISE WHATEVER:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

Wow, you can't even reread your own post to see that you were the first person to name Giambi?

**MuffinMcFluffin** · 09-03-2003, 12:27 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

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AI_Franchise03 said:
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dce1228 said:
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AI_Franchise03 said:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

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Totally, let's see Bonds be versatile enough to play DH like Giambi can.

AI, this thread is about Bonds. Love how you proudly claim how you "don't bring Giambi up"... but look what you did!... look who you accidentally brought up!... in a Bonds thread!.. If you want to slob on Giambi's knob do it somewhere else. Start another thread. Write an essay. Entitle it "the underrated Diplodocus of Gotham"...

As for Bonds. I will confess to not being his greatest fan in times past, but I've gotten over that in the last few years and can honestly say it's been a pleasure watching him play ball. We'll remember what he's doing now for the rest of our lives.

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I didn't even bring up Giambi! Show me where I brought up Giambi, and used it to to his defense? All I said was that shifts, shouldn't come into discussion, when talking about a person's offense.

And you damn know if the Giants had an upcoming good LF, and had the DH rule, Bonds would be DH-ing everyday. Then, we would see a differential that may bring up the point that being a DH isn't as easy, or as healthy as many think.

And TO, Bonds isn't hitting .400.

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QUOTED BY AI_FRANCHISE WHATEVER:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

Wow, you can't even reread your own post to see that you were the first person to name Giambi?

**MuffinMcFluffin** · 09-03-2003, 12:27 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

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AI_Franchise03 said:
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dce1228 said:
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AI_Franchise03 said:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

<hr /></blockquote>

Totally, let's see Bonds be versatile enough to play DH like Giambi can.

AI, this thread is about Bonds. Love how you proudly claim how you "don't bring Giambi up"... but look what you did!... look who you accidentally brought up!... in a Bonds thread!.. If you want to slob on Giambi's knob do it somewhere else. Start another thread. Write an essay. Entitle it "the underrated Diplodocus of Gotham"...

As for Bonds. I will confess to not being his greatest fan in times past, but I've gotten over that in the last few years and can honestly say it's been a pleasure watching him play ball. We'll remember what he's doing now for the rest of our lives.

<hr /></blockquote>

I didn't even bring up Giambi! Show me where I brought up Giambi, and used it to to his defense? All I said was that shifts, shouldn't come into discussion, when talking about a person's offense.

And you damn know if the Giants had an upcoming good LF, and had the DH rule, Bonds would be DH-ing everyday. Then, we would see a differential that may bring up the point that being a DH isn't as easy, or as healthy as many think.

And TO, Bonds isn't hitting .400.

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QUOTED BY AI_FRANCHISE WHATEVER:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

Wow, you can't even reread your own post to see that you were the first person to name Giambi?

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-03-2003, 12:43 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

I'm sorry but all I did was mention his name. I didn't use the "shift" aspect, when talking about his O. Nor did I change the view upon Giambi or his offensive numbers.

A great player isn't determined when a specific shift is used. That was the point I was trying to establish.

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-03-2003, 12:43 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

I'm sorry but all I did was mention his name. I didn't use the "shift" aspect, when talking about his O. Nor did I change the view upon Giambi or his offensive numbers.

A great player isn't determined when a specific shift is used. That was the point I was trying to establish.

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-03-2003, 12:43 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

I'm sorry but all I did was mention his name. I didn't use the "shift" aspect, when talking about his O. Nor did I change the view upon Giambi or his offensive numbers.

A great player isn't determined when a specific shift is used. That was the point I was trying to establish.

**dce1228** · 09-03-2003, 12:48 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

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MuffinMcFluffin said:

QUOTED BY AI_FRANCHISE WHATEVER:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

Wow, you can't even reread your own post to see that you were the first person to name Giambi?

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Look out McFluffin, I think you're about to get into a war of semantics with little AI... you see, although he clearly mentioned Giambi's 'martini glass' shift as clear proof to a likeness between Giambi and Bonds, it was all purely coincidental. I mean, there's so many things that're great about Giambi that AI doesn't need to bring them up. Hence, he didn't. Get it.

Maybe Bonds should go 2 for his next 38 at-bats so he could be just like Giambi. Let's light Giambi's MVP chances on fire and smoke em'...

**dce1228** · 09-03-2003, 12:48 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

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MuffinMcFluffin said:

QUOTED BY AI_FRANCHISE WHATEVER:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

Wow, you can't even reread your own post to see that you were the first person to name Giambi?

<hr /></blockquote>

Look out McFluffin, I think you're about to get into a war of semantics with little AI... you see, although he clearly mentioned Giambi's 'martini glass' shift as clear proof to a likeness between Giambi and Bonds, it was all purely coincidental. I mean, there's so many things that're great about Giambi that AI doesn't need to bring them up. Hence, he didn't. Get it.

Maybe Bonds should go 2 for his next 38 at-bats so he could be just like Giambi. Let's light Giambi's MVP chances on fire and smoke em'...

**dce1228** · 09-03-2003, 12:48 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

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MuffinMcFluffin said:

QUOTED BY AI_FRANCHISE WHATEVER:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

Wow, you can't even reread your own post to see that you were the first person to name Giambi?

<hr /></blockquote>

Look out McFluffin, I think you're about to get into a war of semantics with little AI... you see, although he clearly mentioned Giambi's 'martini glass' shift as clear proof to a likeness between Giambi and Bonds, it was all purely coincidental. I mean, there's so many things that're great about Giambi that AI doesn't need to bring them up. Hence, he didn't. Get it.

Maybe Bonds should go 2 for his next 38 at-bats so he could be just like Giambi. Let's light Giambi's MVP chances on fire and smoke em'...

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-03-2003, 01:16 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

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dce1228 said:
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MuffinMcFluffin said:

QUOTED BY AI_FRANCHISE WHATEVER:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

Wow, you can't even reread your own post to see that you were the first person to name Giambi?

<hr /></blockquote>

Look out McFluffin, I think you're about to get into a war of semantics with little AI... you see, although he clearly mentioned Giambi's 'martini glass' shift as clear proof to a likeness between Giambi and Bonds, it was all purely coincidental. I mean, there's so many things that're great about Giambi that AI doesn't need to bring them up. Hence, he didn't. Get it.

Maybe Bonds should go 2 for his next 38 at-bats so he could be just like Giambi. Let's light Giambi's MVP chances on fire and smoke em'...

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Dude, you're the only one that is bringing up Giambi. Not me.

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Maybe Bonds should go 2 for his next 38 at-bats so he could be just like Giambi. Let's light Giambi's MVP chances on fire and smoke em'...

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Thank you for making my point.

Bonds' is the most dominant player in sports today.

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-03-2003, 01:16 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

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dce1228 said:
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MuffinMcFluffin said:

QUOTED BY AI_FRANCHISE WHATEVER:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

Wow, you can't even reread your own post to see that you were the first person to name Giambi?

<hr /></blockquote>

Look out McFluffin, I think you're about to get into a war of semantics with little AI... you see, although he clearly mentioned Giambi's 'martini glass' shift as clear proof to a likeness between Giambi and Bonds, it was all purely coincidental. I mean, there's so many things that're great about Giambi that AI doesn't need to bring them up. Hence, he didn't. Get it.

Maybe Bonds should go 2 for his next 38 at-bats so he could be just like Giambi. Let's light Giambi's MVP chances on fire and smoke em'...

<hr /></blockquote>

Dude, you're the only one that is bringing up Giambi. Not me.

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Maybe Bonds should go 2 for his next 38 at-bats so he could be just like Giambi. Let's light Giambi's MVP chances on fire and smoke em'...

<hr /></blockquote>

Thank you for making my point.

Bonds' is the most dominant player in sports today.

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-03-2003, 01:16 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

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dce1228 said:
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MuffinMcFluffin said:

QUOTED BY AI_FRANCHISE WHATEVER:

Please don't talk about the shifts, or other strategies used by the opposing teams, when describing his greatness.
Most teams throw the "martini glass" shift at Giambi, and I don't bring that up when talking about his offense. Nor do I bring up other things when talking about him.

Wow, you can't even reread your own post to see that you were the first person to name Giambi?

<hr /></blockquote>

Look out McFluffin, I think you're about to get into a war of semantics with little AI... you see, although he clearly mentioned Giambi's 'martini glass' shift as clear proof to a likeness between Giambi and Bonds, it was all purely coincidental. I mean, there's so many things that're great about Giambi that AI doesn't need to bring them up. Hence, he didn't. Get it.

Maybe Bonds should go 2 for his next 38 at-bats so he could be just like Giambi. Let's light Giambi's MVP chances on fire and smoke em'...

<hr /></blockquote>

Dude, you're the only one that is bringing up Giambi. Not me.

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Maybe Bonds should go 2 for his next 38 at-bats so he could be just like Giambi. Let's light Giambi's MVP chances on fire and smoke em'...

<hr /></blockquote>

Thank you for making my point.

Bonds' is the most dominant player in sports today.

**SPTO** · 09-03-2003, 02:48 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

Franchise: That's not the point I was making, I was saying that Bonds is so dominant that even shifting the defense against him isn't fully stopping him. He may not be hitting .400 but he's hitting very well. A lot of his outs could be base hits. It's amazing that he's dominating so much when a player like Giambi or Delgado who regularly sees a shift isn't nearly as dominant.

**SPTO** · 09-03-2003, 02:48 AM

Re: It\'s getting to be UNDENYABLE

Franchise: That's not the point I was making, I was saying that Bonds is so dominant that even shifting the defense against him isn't fully stopping him. He may not be hitting .400 but he's hitting very well. A lot of his outs could be base hits. It's amazing that he's dominating so much when a player like Giambi or Delgado who regularly sees a shift isn't nearly as dominant.

It's getting to be UNDENYABLE

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