Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • dingleberryfinn
    Banned
    • May 2010
    • 1736

    #46
    Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

    i love charlie hustle & know he belonger in teh hall but
    no one looks at pete walkin' down teh street & says "there goes the greatest hitter who ever lived"
    gimme williams evertime over rose

    Comment

    • DrJones
      All Star
      • Mar 2003
      • 9109

      #47
      Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

      Originally posted by CMH
      I don't like looking at one stat to prove a point, but I'm sure there's more to show this so I'll state it anyway: There is OPS+ which adjusts for league and ballpark.

      Ted Williams is second all-time and the list of the top players come from various eras.

      1. Babe Ruth, 207
      2. Ted Williams, 191
      3. Barry Bonds, 182
      4. Lou Gehrig, 179
      5. Rogers Hornsby, 175
      6. Mickey Mantle, 172
      6. Albert Pujols, 172
      8. Dan Brouthers, 170
      8. Joe Jackson, 170
      10. Ty Cobb, 167
      11. Jimmie Foxx, 163
      T388. Pete Rose, 118
      Originally posted by Thrash13
      Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
      Originally posted by slickdtc
      DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
      Originally posted by Kipnis22
      yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

      Comment

      • snepp
        We'll waste him too.
        • Apr 2003
        • 10007

        #48
        Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

        Originally posted by DrJones
        T388. Pete Rose, 118

        [/thread]<i><i>
        Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists Association

        Comment

        • CMH
          Making you famous
          • Oct 2002
          • 26203

          #49
          Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

          Originally posted by DrJones
          T388. Pete Rose, 118
          Originally posted by snepp
          [/thread]<i><i>
          You guys are great teammates. It's like I threw an alley-oop, Dr. Jones slammed it down and snepp did a little celebratory dance at the end.
          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

          "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

          Comment

          • DrJones
            All Star
            • Mar 2003
            • 9109

            #50
            Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

            Originally posted by CMH
            You guys are great teammates. It's like I threw an alley-oop, Dr. Jones slammed it down and snepp did a little celebratory dance at the end.
            *chest bump*
            Originally posted by Thrash13
            Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
            Originally posted by slickdtc
            DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
            Originally posted by Kipnis22
            yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

            Comment

            • McCannFann
              Rookie
              • Jan 2011
              • 225

              #51
              Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

              I'm not sure why, but after reading the three comments just before mine (this one), the first thing that came to mind was this.

              Piazza!

              and

              We get it, you like Piazza!
              Last edited by McCannFann; 02-19-2011, 06:44 PM.

              Comment

              • Tomahawk
                MVP
                • Feb 2005
                • 1593

                #52
                Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

                Originally posted by CHooe
                I ask this question playing devil's advocate more than anything else, I don't claim to know anything about baseball:

                How does the pitching each player typically went up against compare? My immediate impression would be that a couple extra decades of medical technology would work in Rose and his peers' favor. My argument, and admittedly one based on pure conjecture, is that the pitchers Rose went up against hypothetically would have faster fastballs, more ability to put movement on their pitches, greater ability to recover from a previous outing, etc. than did any typical pitcher in Williams' era.

                Just as there's an argument against comparing football players of different eras given that the overall athletic talent in the game has increased over the past 100 years (though in football's case, the rules of the game have steadily changed as well), why can't that apply to baseball, or any other sport, as well?
                Wouldn't it stand to reason that hitters have the same access to improvements in medical technology, physical training, and video technology that the pitcher does and thus it negates the advantage the pitcher might have acquired over the course of time? Also, I don't think anyone of Rose's generation threw any harder than Bob Feller or some of the other pitchers of Ted Williams' era. Not to mention I'm pretty sure batting against Mr. Feller without batting helmet was no walk in the park.
                • LETS GO RED SOX!!!
                • LETS GO HOKIES!!!
                • GO PACK GO!!!
                • LETS GO BRUINS!!!

                Comment

                • jake44np
                  Post Like a Champion!
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 9563

                  #53
                  Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

                  Originally posted by dingleberryfinn
                  i love charlie hustle & know he belonger in teh hall but
                  no one looks at pete walkin' down teh street & says "there goes the greatest hitter who ever lived"
                  gimme williams evertime over rose
                  No one is saying that about Ted Wiliams when he walks down the street either!!!! lol
                  ND Season Ticket Holder since '72.

                  Comment

                  • CMH
                    Making you famous
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 26203

                    #54
                    Originally posted by jake44np
                    No one is saying that about Ted Wiliams when he walks down the street either!!!! lol
                    We'd have bigger concerns than who is the best hitter if anyone admitted to saying that to Teddy today.


                    Sent from my mobile device.
                    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

                    Comment

                    • Lucas718
                      Rookie
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 29

                      #55
                      Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

                      Pete Rose would never have come close to the hits record if he wasn't also the manager of the team. Who else but Pete Rose would keep playing Pete Rose, a 40+ year old singles hitter at 1B ?

                      Calling him the greatest hitter ever based on the number of hits he had is like saying Cal Ripken is the greatest player ever because he played in the most consecutive games.

                      Comment

                      • Sportsforever
                        NL MVP
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 20368

                        #56
                        Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

                        Originally posted by Lucas718
                        Pete Rose would never have come close to the hits record if he wasn't also the manager of the team. Who else but Pete Rose would keep playing Pete Rose, a 40+ year old singles hitter at 1B ?

                        Calling him the greatest hitter ever based on the number of hits he had is like saying Cal Ripken is the greatest player ever because he played in the most consecutive games.
                        Good point. Funny you mention Ripken. I love Cal, but I was thinking yesterday as I watched him on the Spirit of Baseball dinner what would we think of him if he hadn't set the games played record? He was a really good player and certainly a HOF'r, but he definitely has a more elevated status because of his streak.
                        "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

                        Comment

                        • OSUFan_88
                          Outback Jesus
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 25642

                          #57
                          Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

                          This thread made my blood boil, very glad to read this wasn't an actual posters thoughts on here or this would have been a battle worth fighting.

                          Ted Williams is the best hitter of all time. You know how many years Ted Williams posted a OPS under 1.000? One damn time. At the age of 40. And he hit a .791. And the next year, he went on to post a pedestrian 1.096 OPS at the age of 41.
                          Too Old To Game Club

                          Urban Meyer is lol.

                          Comment

                          • Gibbz
                            All Star
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 8240

                            #58
                            Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

                            I've never known anyone who knew about both players and thought Rose was better.

                            Williams was on another level.

                            Comment

                            • jake44np
                              Post Like a Champion!
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 9563

                              #59
                              Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

                              Originally posted by Lucas718
                              Pete Rose would never have come close to the hits record if he wasn't also the manager of the team. Who else but Pete Rose would keep playing Pete Rose, a 40+ year old singles hitter at 1B ?

                              Calling him the greatest hitter ever based on the number of hits he had is like saying Cal Ripken is the greatest player ever because he played in the most consecutive games.
                              No you are wrong, he still would have broken the hit record.
                              He only managed himself for a very short period of time and didnt even play himself everyday. No matter who the manager of the Reds was at the time they would have played Pete until he broke the record. Either that or they would have been tared and feathered. He only managed himself during the 84, 85, and 86 seasons. He only played a total of 194 games those years out of a possible 486, so as you can see its not like he played himself everyday.
                              He only had a total of 194 hits and 738 at bats while he was the manager.
                              ND Season Ticket Holder since '72.

                              Comment

                              • Lucas718
                                Rookie
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 29

                                #60
                                Re: Pete Rose was a better hitter than Ted Williams...

                                Originally posted by jake44np
                                No you are wrong, he still would have broken the hit record.
                                He only managed himself for a very short period of time and didnt even play himself everyday. No matter who the manager of the Reds was at the time they would have played Pete until he broke the record. Either that or they would have been tared and feathered. He only managed himself during the 84, 85, and 86 seasons. He only played a total of 194 games those years out of a possible 486, so as you can see its not like he played himself everyday.
                                He only had a total of 194 hits and 738 at bats while he was the manager.
                                Not quite.

                                He played most of '84 with Montreal. He finished that year with Cincinnati, managing 41 games and giving himself 107 plate appearances in those 41 games.

                                In the '85 season, the year he broke the record, he gave himself 500 plate appearances. Only 4 players on the team had more.

                                He broke the record on Sept 11th, 1985. From the time he took over as Reds manager until he broke the record, he put himself in 131 times out of a possible 178 games. He was 44 years old and one of the least productive first basemen in the game. But hey, he had a record to break.

                                Once he broke the record, he finally stopped selfishly putting himself in the lineup.

                                Comment

                                Working...