Does Aaron get the nod over A-Rod?

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Re: Does Aaron get the nod over A-Rod?

...we're really nitpicking trying to determine which one is better.

Totally agree with this.

This type of thread is something that belongs in the pro basketball forum.

[berenjena]

Re: Does Aaron get the nod over A-Rod?

Easily one of the most ignorant things I've ever read... Anywhere... In my entire life...

I'm just embarrassed to even be human at this point...

Maybe you're just misinformed here... Because I can't imagine someone being so astonishingly moronic... So let me ask you...

How many death threats has A-Rod received compared to Aaron?

Easily one of the most overreacted and exaggerated post I've ever read in my entire life.

I'm still proud to be human.

[berenjena]

Re: Does Aaron get the nod over A-Rod?

First of all I never said that It was a worse kind of pressure or anything close to it... I was just replying to the guy that reply that Arod haven't face that kind of pressure when they are obviously different kinds of pressure.

Alex may not have receive death threats (as far as I'm aware of) and segregation, and Aaron may not have the NY media of the present or the biggest contract in the MLB... But there is something I'm sure of, no one knows for sure how pressure affects each player individually and how are they able to adjust/forget/block the pressure when they at the plate.

I did said I thought Hank is jealous, and I am going to stick with it. Arod is consider more of a "celebrity" in this time and age, making tons of money, while being perceive as arrogant and cocky, heck! If I was Aaron I would probably feel the same way.

There's no doubt Aaron is one of the best of all times! I just thought it was inappropriate for Aaron to be calling out on specific players and staying he likes to stay out of the media while talking to the media about one of the most hated players in the MLB .

understand there's a lot of Arod and Yankees hate, and any giving props to a Yankee player would probably make me look like a homer, which is not the case, first I root for Baseball then I root for the yankees.

[redcedarrevenge]

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I understand what you are saying and if you think about it, like you said, they played it two totally different era's. It's not just the death threats that Aaron endured at the end of his career. Please consider the years Aaron grew up and played through and all the negativity he endured while playing baseball in that era. This isn't even debatable, either.

Again, it's apples to oranges. America is a different place than it was ten years ago, let alone forty to fifty.

And you say A-Rod has to put up with being one of the 5 greatest players of all-time? Wouldn't you say Aaron dealt with the same type of pressure over his career during his era? Isn't that the same type of pressure A-Rod has today?

This I disagree with because Hank Aaron didn't come out of the farm system with the expectation of being on one hand of the greatest players of all time. Maybe Aaron had that pressure later on in his career, but Rodriguez has had those expectations his entire professional baseball career. This is a symptom not of overvaluing Rodriguez and undervaluing Aaron; it's the insane media expectation that become prevalent in the 90's where it was demanded of players for fill the shoes of so and so rather than be their own player on their own merit.

You can take away the death threats from Aaron and I feel that Aaron had more pressure as a player in his era than A-Rod as a player today.

Which is fine because, if I break past the apples to oranges comparison, some of what Rodriguez has to deal with is self inflicted and/or a byproduct of Skip Bayless power fantasies.

[roadman]

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First of all I never said that It was a worse kind of pressure or anything close to it... I was just replying to the guy that reply that Arod haven't face that kind of pressure when they are obviously different kinds of pressure.

Alex may not have receive death threats (as far as I'm aware of) and segregation, and Aaron may not have the NY media of the present or the biggest contract in the MLB... But there is something I'm sure of, no one knows for sure how pressure affects each player individually and how are they able to adjust/forget/block the pressure when they at the plate.

I did said I thought Hank is jealous, and I am going to stick with it. Arod is consider more of a "celebrity" in this time and age, making tons of money, while being perceive as arrogant and cocky, heck! If I was Aaron I would probably feel the same way.

There's no doubt Aaron is one of the best of all times! I just thought it was inappropriate for Aaron to be calling out on specific players and staying he likes to stay out of the media while talking to the media about one of the most hated players in the MLB .

understand there's a lot of Arod and Yankees hate, and any giving props to a Yankee player would probably make me look like a homer, which is not the case, first I root for Baseball then I root for the yankees.

If your taking that route, how do you know Aaron is jealous? Kind of difficult to get inside someone's head and heart without knowing them, don't you agree? I'm sure Aaron was one of the highest paid players in his era as well.

Aaron has no reason to be jealous at all. He is also considered to be one of the best players overall in baseball, if not the best, IMO. You can't deny Aaron was considered a celebrity, either. And his was just as much hatred celebrity as A-Rods, if still under different circumstances.

Bottom line, both are/were great players in professional baseball.

[JBH3]

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So what is the "value added" of this thread?

[cooldude]

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So what is the "value added" of this thread?

.000 if i had to guess.

[snepp]

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So what is the "value added" of this thread?

I believe the term you're looking for is VORT, value over replacement thread.

[JBH3]

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.000 if i had to guess.

I believe the term you're looking for is VORT, value over replacement thread.

[lonewolf371]

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I believe the term you're looking for is VORT, value over replacement thread.

Using a linear weights system it seems that this thread's VORT is -0.5. Mods would be well-advised to call up some threads from the minor forums.

[DrJones]

Re: Does Aaron get the nod over A-Rod?

Hammer vs A-Rod career value debate aside, I think we can all agree that Aaron is wrong in his statement. At no point would a modern-day Aaron be offered A-Rod money. Manny Ramirez is a better comparison. A modern-day Mays or Mantle, however...

[ChampN252]

Re: Does Aaron get the nod over A-Rod?

Aarons was on Letterman and they played a vid where I believe he hit a homerun (I didn't see it all) and when he was running around the bases, fans were running beside him and patting him on the back and such. He could have been killed dead if that was the right person. It just shocked me. They were also talking about how he was a 170-180 slugger. That's pretty impressive.

[Hootiefish]

Re: Does Aaron get the nod over A-Rod?

Hammer vs A-Rod career value debate aside, I think we can all agree that Aaron is wrong in his statement. At no point would a modern-day Aaron be offered A-Rod money. Manny Ramirez is a better comparison. A modern-day Mays or Mantle, however...

True. I believe the whole discussion is moot due to the fact that Mays would be/should be higher paid than Aaron, and Mantle would be the highest paid player ever, in today's market (not necessarily the best, but considering the fact that he was the face of the Yankees and one of the best players of his era, it's no argument).

[ChampN252]

Re: Does Aaron get the nod over A-Rod?

True. I believe the whole discussion is moot due to the fact that Mays would be/should be higher paid than Aaron, and Mantle would be the highest paid player ever, in today's market (not necessarily the best, but considering the fact that he was the face of the Yankees and one of the best players of his era, it's no argument).

Actually, I was looking at stats last night after seeing him on the teley and you are right. I don't believe he was better than Mays. He has more homers, but I believe Mays has him in ever other way. There were actually several players from his era that are better to compare with A-Rod.