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  • Chip Douglass
    Hall Of Fame
    • Dec 2005
    • 12256

    #46
    Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

    Originally posted by JNes12
    While Howard is not an elite defender, he isn't as bad as everyone thinks

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    He's bad by literally every reasonable measurement - UZR, TZL, +/-, etc.
    I write things on the Internet.

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    • Dog
      aka jnes12/JNes__
      • Aug 2008
      • 11846

      #47
      Originally posted by Chip Douglass
      He's bad by literally every reasonable measurement - UZR, TZL, +/-, etc.
      Don't have numbers, but he has gotten better each year, no? (That is a guess).

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      • BatsareBugs
        LVP
        • Feb 2003
        • 12553

        #48
        Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

        Originally posted by JNes12
        Don't have numbers, but he has gotten better each year, no? (That is a guess).

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        You're almost right. Last year messed up apparently though.

        http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...eldingadvanced

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        • Dog
          aka jnes12/JNes__
          • Aug 2008
          • 11846

          #49
          Yeah, so my argument would be his career UZR/150 is skewed a little due to very poor defense initially and that his more recent years have gotten better

          EDIT: I don't know what happened with him in 2010 - but he apparently had a terrible year. Oh well

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          Last edited by Dog; 04-18-2011, 05:25 PM.
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          • 55
            Banned
            • Mar 2006
            • 20857

            #50
            Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

            Originally posted by JNes12
            While Howard is not an elite defender, he isn't as bad as everyone thinks
            Defensively speaking, I personally have him in the bottom five out of all every day first basemen. His offense more than makes up for it though.

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            • lonewolf371
              MVP
              • Aug 2009
              • 3420

              #51
              Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

              Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
              UZR, I believe Adrian had some negative UZR's too.

              I really don't have an opinion on who the best defensive first basemen is, I just know from paying more attention on the NL side Pujols and Gonzalez were definitely tops. I'll give Adrian the advantage simply because left-handed fielders have that advantage at snuffing out sacrifice bunts and getting the lead runner. Of course now that he's in a city with more exposure but a different league-style, he unfortunately won't get many opportunities, but it's little things like that.
              UZR is bad for 1st basemen, and there's no good sabermetric for catchers right now.

              My vote went to Pujols, but Teixeira is a great defensive 1st baseman.
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              • Highroad214
                Rookie
                • Mar 2011
                • 88

                #52
                Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                By the way, why no James Loney option?

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                • Chip Douglass
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 12256

                  #53
                  Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                  Originally posted by Highroad214
                  By the way, why no James Loney option?
                  He's an average glove.
                  I write things on the Internet.

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                  • JBH3
                    Marvel's Finest
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 13506

                    #54
                    Howard is not a liability in the field.

                    Since slimming down some he has become more agile.

                    His main knock has always been throws to 2nd...accuracy.

                    Is there a metric which rates throws to first? Because Rollins has been throwing some crap Howard's way in recent yrs, to include this yr.
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                    • Sportsforever
                      NL MVP
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 20368

                      #55
                      Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                      Originally posted by Chip Douglass
                      He's an average glove.
                      With a way below average bat for his position...
                      "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                      • roethlisberger4pres
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 105

                        #56
                        Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                        Wow who voted for Howard lol.

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                        • 55
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 20857

                          #57
                          Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                          Originally posted by roethlisberger4pres
                          Wow who voted for Howard lol.
                          A Phillies homer, no doubt.

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                          • Doormat
                            The Champ Is Here
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 2338

                            #58
                            Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                            Text-Message is a very amazing 1st baseman, I haven't seen many games where a ball goes too far from his reach. He's an amazing batter too
                            Why did I move here? I guess it was the weather.

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                            • snepp
                              We'll waste him too.
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 10007

                              #59
                              Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                              Originally posted by LilWayneFTW
                              Text-Message is a very amazing 1st baseman, I haven't seen many games where a ball goes too far from his reach. He's an amazing batter too

                              That alone should be a bannable offense.
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                              • Sportsforever
                                NL MVP
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 20368

                                #60
                                Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                                Originally posted by snepp
                                That alone should be a bannable offense.
                                Haha...as if LilWayneFTW isn't?
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