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  • Dog
    aka jnes12/JNes__
    • Aug 2008
    • 11846

    #196
    Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

    Originally posted by philliesfan136
    Papelbon is on a higher level than Madson, has more closing experience, and if Madson signs elsewhere, the Phillies will actually move up higher in the draft (Boston gets 30th pick, say Washington signs him they'll take their pick, which is higher up).

    So it's a good deal.
    Woohoo! We agree!

    EDIT: It's still a bad "deal" in terms of money, but as I said earlier in the thread this has become market value for elite closers, so I don't mind it at the moment
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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #197
      Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

      Papelbon to me is showing signs of slowing down. Closers are a funny breed, they can turn to crap VERY quickly. I think he'll have a fairly good decent first year but after that would be gravy.
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      • The Kid 24
        It's Show Time!
        • Jan 2007
        • 14768

        #198
        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

        Anyone think the Brewers would turn to Rollins if Reyes is indeed in Miami? Or is Rollins gonna stay in Philly?

        Rollins would be A LOT cheaper anyway...
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        • Sportsforever
          NL MVP
          • Mar 2005
          • 20368

          #199
          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

          Originally posted by SPTO
          Papelbon to me is showing signs of slowing down. Closers are a funny breed, they can turn to crap VERY quickly. I think he'll have a fairly good decent first year but after that would be gravy.
          Slowing down? Outside of his insane 2007, Papelbon has been the same pitcher every year (actually a little better last year). You only feel this way, imo, because he pitched for Boston and every blown save was made a big deal.
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          • philliesfan136
            MVP
            • Feb 2011
            • 4263

            #200
            Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

            Originally posted by The Kid 24
            Anyone think the Brewers would turn to Rollins if Reyes is indeed in Miami? Or is Rollins gonna stay in Philly?

            Rollins would be A LOT cheaper anyway...
            I think it's a possibility. I could see JRoll leading off for them.

            I don't think the Phillies have enough money to re-sign Rollins now with that Papelbon deal.
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            • SPTO
              binging
              • Feb 2003
              • 68046

              #201
              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

              Originally posted by Sportsforever
              Slowing down? Outside of his insane 2007, Papelbon has been the same pitcher every year (actually a little better last year). You only feel this way, imo, because he pitched for Boston and every blown save was made a big deal.
              Most likely....but hey i'm glad he's out of the AL East.
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              • Picci
                MVP
                • Feb 2003
                • 4517

                #202
                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                Originally posted by philliesfan136
                Papelbon is on a higher level than Madson, has more closing experience, and if Madson signs elsewhere, the Phillies will actually move up higher in the draft (Boston gets 30th pick, say Washington signs him they'll take their pick, which is higher up).

                So it's a good deal.
                That's incorrect. If a bottom team (such as Washington) signs a type "A" free agent, their draft pick is protected and will only have to surrender their 2nd round pick.

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                • duke776
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 3044

                  #203
                  Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                  Originally posted by Picci
                  That's incorrect. If a bottom team (such as Washington) signs a type "A" free agent, their draft pick is protected and will only have to surrender their 2nd round pick.
                  Actually, Washington's first rounder is not protected this year. They select 16th overall, and only the first 15 picks (and picks from last year) are protected.

                  I'm happy to see this move, no real reason, I just thought it would be cool to see Papelbon in Philly. Just a random thing I guess.

                  And I love this time of year, looking forward to all the crazy rumors and see what comes of them (mostly nothing ). I still love to follow them all regardless.

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                  • SPTO
                    binging
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 68046

                    #204
                    Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                    A Blue Jays item

                    - Jays are among 6 teams that looked at Jonathon Broxton working out in an effort to land a deal with a club. His agent says gone are the days of 99-100 MPH but he should be in the 93-97 MPH range. Broxton is said to be open to a one year incentive laden contract with the possibility of a vesting option in 2013. This sounds like a typical type of Jays move if they do have legit interest as this would be low risk high reward.

                    and an MLB item

                    - Twins are close to signing Jamey Carroll this is hot off the presses from Jerry Crasnick 15 minutes ago.
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                    • BleacherBum2310
                      All Star
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 7107

                      #205
                      Is it just me or does the closer market get bigger every year? Paplebon is the better closer but at the price I dunno..

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                      • ty5oke
                        87%
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 2912

                        #206
                        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                        <s class="hash">#</s>marlins made offers to pujols, reyes and buehrle. (<s>@</s>Ken_Rosenthal 1st reported jose & albert). "nothing close'' to deal.
                        Guess they want to make a splash.
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                        • rsox
                          All Star
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 6309

                          #207
                          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                          It will be interesting to see where the Sox go from here at Closer with Papelbon gone.
                          It has been said that they are considering moving Daniel Bard into the starting rotation which would leave Bobby Jenks (yikes) as the likely in-house candidate.

                          I could see them maybe going after Madson, especially now that there is no chance he goes back to Philly. Joe Nathan is another i could see them talking to.
                          Heath Bell probably stays in the west with either the Padres or the Angels. I don't want to see them go after K-Rod. Brad Lidge would probably get lit up in the AL (worse than he already does in the NL). Broxton is probably done since he now has to "pitch" instead of just "throw".

                          Too bad to see Papelbon go but i think most people expected it. He has said in the past he wanted to set the record for money for a Closer and it looks like he has done it. Good luck in Philly Pap.

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                          • SlimKibbles
                            Supporter
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 7276

                            #208
                            Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                            Originally posted by ty5oke
                            Guess they want to make a splash.
                            Didn't Wayne Huizenga pull this stunt, won a World Series, lost his butt that season, and was forced to do a fire sale the following year? I know the new stadium should bring better revenues but is Loria going to have that much money to get Reyes, Buehrle, Cespedes, and possibly Pujols?
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                            • hitstreak13
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1117

                              #209
                              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                              Man, I love this time of year!! As an Angel fan, I hope we get a solid 3B. We haven't had a legit guy out there since Glaus and I am tired of seeing a lack of production from that spot. There was brief speculation that Trumbo would move there if they got either Fielder or Pujols, but that wouldn't work. I still think a healthy Morales can shell out 20-25 bombs and knock in 85-100.

                              I know this is also a long shot, but I would like C.J. Wilson as we have 3 legit righties as our 1,2, and 3. Throw in C.J. after Weaver and Haren and we have a world champion rotation. I can't wait to see what Dipoto has in store.
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                              • philliesfan136
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 4263

                                #210
                                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                                Originally posted by SlimKibbles
                                Didn't Wayne Huizenga pull this stunt, won a World Series, lost his butt that season, and was forced to do a fire sale the following year? I know the new stadium should bring better revenues but is Loria going to have that much money to get Reyes, Buehrle, Cespedes, and possibly Pujols?
                                If they got Reyes, there's no way they get Pujols.
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