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  • Chaos81
    Hall Of Fame
    • Mar 2004
    • 17150

    #1216
    Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

    Originally posted by Perfect Zero
    it's about $18m per year
    And now millions of fans are asking themselves why their favorite team wasn't in on the bidding.

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    • Coug00
      LOB
      • Jul 2002
      • 3476

      #1217
      Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

      Originally posted by bkrich83
      95, 101 and 101 losses in the last 4 years is not getting it done. You can't sugarcoat that. They've been dreadful, and have yet to prove they can put together a competitive team. There's no way around it.
      This new FO has only been there 3 years. They took over a team with a barren wasteland of a farm system and a MLB team that had Jose Vidro, Yuni Betancourt, and Jose Lopez in the starting lineup. They had very little bargaining chips and lacked the money to rebuild through Free Agency. Its obvious they're building by replenishing their minor league system (look at the Brewers to see if Jack knows what he's doing here). Building through youth can take 5-7 years in baseball, so judging their competency by their win/loss record over the first 3 years is pointless.
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      • ScoobySnax
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        • Mar 2009
        • 7624

        #1218
        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

        Hope he's able to be effective.
        Originally posted by J. Cole
        Fool me one time that's shame on you. Fool me twice can't put the blame on you. Fool me three times, **** the peace sign, load the chopper let it rain on you.
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        • Travis40
          MVP
          • Nov 2008
          • 1651

          #1219
          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

          And on the Prince front...

          Evan_P_Grant Evan Grant
          As for Prince, Rangers still interested: Up to Boras/Prince to
          get creative. Agent has lost any leverage with Texas.

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          • Marino
            Moderator
            • Jan 2008
            • 18113

            #1220
            Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

            Hope Darvish works out, that's a lot of money to spend on a player with no USA play.

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            • Kobalt
              All Star
              • May 2010
              • 9674

              #1221
              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

              Jamie Moyer got a minor league contract with the Rockies....

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              • WazzuRC
                Go Cougs!
                • Dec 2002
                • 5617

                #1222
                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                Oliver Perez got a minor league contract with the Mariners...

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                • jvalverde88
                  Moderator
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 11787

                  #1223
                  Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                  Originally posted by Marino
                  Hope Darvish works out, that's a lot of money to spend on a player with no USA play.
                  I think he is, he absolutely dominated NPB (albeit AAA-like competition). He has much better numbers than the other Japanese pitchers that have come over from Japan. Remember the name Masahiro Tanaka, in couple of years he could be the next big name Japanese pitcher to make the jump to MLB.

                  Originally posted by WazzuRC
                  Oliver Perez got a minor league contract with the Mariners...
                  All Mets fans send out their condolences.

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                  • bkrich83
                    Has Been
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 71582

                    #1224
                    Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                    Originally posted by Coug00
                    This new FO has only been there 3 years. They took over a team with a barren wasteland of a farm system and a MLB team that had Jose Vidro, Yuni Betancourt, and Jose Lopez in the starting lineup. They had very little bargaining chips and lacked the money to rebuild through Free Agency. Its obvious they're building by replenishing their minor league system (look at the Brewers to see if Jack knows what he's doing here). Building through youth can take 5-7 years in baseball, so judging their competency by their win/loss record over the first 3 years is pointless.
                    When they start winning then tout how well they've done. They haven't done anything yet, and during their tenure they've been arguably the worst team in the league.

                    You can talk about farm system ratings and building through youth.. Lots of teams have said that.. Few actually succeed at it.
                    Last edited by bkrich83; 01-18-2012, 09:56 PM.
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                    • bkrich83
                      Has Been
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 71582

                      #1225
                      Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                      Originally posted by jvalverde88
                      I think he is, he absolutely dominated NPB (albeit AAA-like competition). He has much better numbers than the other Japanese pitchers that have come over from Japan. Remember the name Masahiro Tanaka, in couple of years he could be the next big name Japanese pitcher to make the jump to MLB.
                      We'll see. It comes out to more per year than the Angels pay Weaver, and nearly as much as the Phillies pay Halladay. Big risk for a guy who hasn't thrown a pitch, especially given the mediocre history of Japanese pitchers.
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                      • abcabc
                        Pro
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 591

                        #1226
                        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                        [quote=Melanconfan;2043279796]Since Cashman is the whole reason for this discussion, isn't it possible he was confident Long would eventually help him figure out lefties and that was a motivating factor to make the trade?


                        >Possible yes, more likely no.

                        Aceves hasn't been given a chance to start regularly because he doesn't have the stuff to get through a major league line-up more than once. When he has been given a chance to start he he hasn't been that good putting up a 1.39 WHIP and 1.09 K/BB. The long man role he would have been in was adequately filled be Noesi.


                        >Boston plans to ramp him up to start this year.


                        Logan was fine last year. A bit inconsistent but that can be said of most LOOGYs. Coke not being a deal breaker is the whole point I was trying to make. He's not some great reliever worth hanging onto at all costs like Mo or Robertson. And I'm not sure what your point is about Detroit trying Coke as a starter since he was bad at it.

                        > thankfully he shaped up to end the season to be respectful, i mean i have to root for him as he's the only lefty in the pen, but the first half the year he was not dependable to be put out there, put it this way, the way he started 2011 was a stark contrast to how he was in 2010 for NY, wouldnt call him a bit inconsistent as there bad stretches were too long last yr.

                        It's easy to say that about Kennedy with hindsight, but he had worn out his welcome and probably wasn't going to get another real chance in NY. Keeping Jackson, who's issues are significantly worse than those of Granderson, on the premise that he's cheap only to add another albatross contract makes no sense to me.


                        >i think he would have got the chance for the same slots that ended up going to colon and garcia.

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                        • lilbiggio
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 2105

                          #1227
                          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                          Originally posted by bkrich83
                          We'll see. It comes out to more per year than the Angels pay Weaver, and nearly as much as the Phillies pay Halladay. Big risk for a guy who hasn't thrown a pitch, especially given the mediocre history of Japanese pitchers.
                          I really wish people would stop playing the "he hasnt pitched against the MLB hitters card". Or Every Japanese pitcher prior has failed. It comes off very 1947ish.
                          Last edited by lilbiggio; 01-18-2012, 10:41 PM.

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                          • jvalverde88
                            Moderator
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 11787

                            #1228
                            Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                            Originally posted by bkrich83
                            We'll see. It comes out to more per year than the Angels pay Weaver, and nearly as much as the Phillies pay Halladay. Big risk for a guy who hasn't thrown a pitch, especially given the mediocre history of Japanese pitchers.
                            Eh, Rangers are pretty much paying the about same amount that CJ Wilson asked for. So no matter who they signed, Darvish or Wilson, they would've paid the same regardless. Lets see how handles pitching twice a week compared to once a week.

                            For the sake of Rangers fans, I hope he's actually thrown a pitch especially with the money he's getting paid. I mean who would pay that much for a guy who has never played baseball or even thrown a baseball.
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                            • BunnyHardaway
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 15195

                              #1229
                              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                              Just salary wise, Darvish for $10 million a year is a steal. He's the first guy to come over that is young, has incredible stats, has top-of-the-rotation stuff, and has no durability issues. He's nothing like Matsuzaka.

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                              • bkrich83
                                Has Been
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 71582

                                #1230
                                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                                Originally posted by lilbiggio
                                I really wish people would stop playing the "he hasnt pitched against the MLB hitters card". Or Every Japanese pitcher prior has failed. It comes off very 1947ish.
                                It maybe 1947ish, but it's not wrong.
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