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  • CabreraMVP
    MVP
    • Sep 2010
    • 1437

    #1201
    Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

    During conditioning. I'd like to sign Vlad Guerrero.

    They could always move Delmon Young's pathetic self to DH and get a new LF. Who knows. The Tigers offseason was already embarrassing and pathetic to this point and this doesn't help. I mean Inge hits .175 last year, they get Betemit to replace him, Betemit hits .300 and then they let him walk and will give Inge the 3rd base job. They have a platoon at 2nd and 3rd base. And Delmon Young is one of the worst players in baseball. Ugh.

    But Vlad Guerrero, hitting in front of Cabrera, he'd have a fine year. Maybe not like he did in Texas, but an .800 OPS for sure.
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    • snepp
      We'll waste him too.
      • Apr 2003
      • 10007

      #1202
      Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

      Detroit should offer Fielder $30 million for one year.

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      • rdnk
        All Star
        • Feb 2009
        • 5730

        #1203
        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

        Originally posted by snepp
        Detroit should offer Fielder $30 million for one year.

        Even if you're serious, I'd doubt he'd take it because of his dad.

        I'm getting the feeling that DD is gonna sign Cespedes to play LF and move Young to DH. The Tigers have been in on Cespedes the whole offseason.

        Another option would be Pena, and then have him and Cabby split time at 1B and DH.
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        • snepp
          We'll waste him too.
          • Apr 2003
          • 10007

          #1204
          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

          What does his dad have to do with it? As far as I know he isn't part of the organization. Am I missing something here?

          It wouldn't be a bad deal for the Tigers, if they could find a way to stomach the huge one year hit. They'd get a monster year of offense and then the compensation picks next offseason when he signs elsewhere.


          Of course Borass would never accept it so it's all moot.
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          • CabreraMVP
            MVP
            • Sep 2010
            • 1437

            #1205
            Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

            His dad was a great Tiger. Prince and his dad are not close at all. He would be asked about his dad every single day by dumb members of the Detroit media. Cabrera would not DH for a year, he's a baseball player and wants to be out there everyday. Prince doesn't want to DH either. Fielder wouldn't go back to Milwaukee for 1 year, he wouldn't want to come here then. Although if he really did want to DH for a year, I would offer him 25 million for a season. I think Mike Illitch would to.

            Easiest route is just Vlad. Would be great in front of Cabrera I think. And if the Tigers were serious, they would go find themselves a real corner outfielder. Slide Young to DH for a year. Martinez comes back in 2013 and Young is gone.

            Last summer Illitch promised 2 big bats this winter. All they have done is let Betemit walk, who is younger and hit .100 points higher than Inge last year. They brought back a backup infielder. And brought back Laird. Big bats.

            I will throw up if they bring Damon back. The talk of him being a reliable DH is hilarious. .326 On Base Percentage, .730 OPS, and on top of that he was very underwhelming the year before in Detroit.

            Get Vlad or go make a move for a corner outfielder. Delmon at DH is addition by subtraction because he could burn his glove. But then you have to deal with his .298 OBP.
            Last edited by CabreraMVP; 01-17-2012, 05:43 PM.
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            • l3ulvl
              Hall Of Fame
              • Dec 2009
              • 17257

              #1206
              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

              Yeah I wouldn't mind a move for Vlad, a new corner fielder & Delmon at DH, or even Matsui. One thing I'm actually keeping an eye on will be Strieby in ST. This is a major opportunity for him as a non-roster invitee this year. It's unlikely of course, but still slightly on the radar of "almost sorta maybe".
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              • CabreraMVP
                MVP
                • Sep 2010
                • 1437

                #1207
                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                I dont know man. Illitch is 83, this team is in such a win now attitude. I don't see anyway we don't go into ST with a proven hitter replacing Victor.
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                • l3ulvl
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 17257

                  #1208
                  Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                  Yeah, you're probly right, I didn't really think that one out in the timeline in my mind.

                  I definitely don't want Damon, don't want Magglio, hell I don't even want Pena.

                  But I swear, if we end up with Raburn in left, Delmon at DH, and Santiago everyday at 2nd it'll get ugly fast on the Tigers blogosphere.
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                  • abcabc
                    Pro
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 591

                    #1209
                    Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                    Originally posted by Melanconfan
                    Aceves? Really? He's not a starter for a playoff team as seen by his peripherals. I'd be thrilled if he gets a good share of starts for Boston.



                    Don't disagree with Marte (or Feliciano) but relievers like Coke are as fungible as they come. Case in point, Boone Logan who was a throw in and has performed just as well as (or better) than Coke the past 2 years. The problem with the Marte and Feliciano (and Soriano but that's not on Cashman) deals is there are few relievers worth giving up anything for.



                    They did sell low on Kennedy and it burnt them but they also sold high on Jackson and that looks like a good move. Though they may have been able to bring in more for that package, calling an MVP candidate in Granderson just "okay" is ridiculous.
                    dont get me wrong i like granderson and the person he is, he does the NYY uniform proud (or any team he suits up for) and in no reference was the 'okay' toward the season he had w/ NY in 2011...he had a awesome season for NY... the credit for what Granderson ended up becoming 'career year/ mvp candidiate' was due him accepting help from Kevin Long the hitting coach while having a pedestrian first season w NY... meaning, he didnt bring those 2011 numbers on his belt leading into spring training of 2010, heck no...he was a liability against lefties for the most part of his career coming into NY.

                    As for Aceves my points were he was healthy in 2010, costs $650k, and can be a starter while Cashman had to pick up Freddy Garcia and Colon off the scrap heap and NYY didnt know what they were getting out of either vs. we knew what Aceves could give. For whatever reason Cashman/medical staff felt Aceve's back was done. Bos didnt feel that way... he had a solid season i think 10-4 and good era. He was a starter for Mexico just that he wasnt used that way too much so far in mlb. sounds like this will change in 2012.

                    the issue with coke was, nyy finally had a dependable lefty out of the pen, was home grown, and gave it up. when logan came he was a good find for 2010 but if i recall, the first half of 2011 had no resemblance to his success in 2010. the largest issue was he was the sole lefty in the NYY pen and they really needed 2 lefties, as they've need for years. but i wouldn't have let coke be the deal breaker if that's what detriot really really wanted, i dunno/dont remember.... do remember detriot wanted to convert coke to a starter, which i think coke was while in the NYY farm system.

                    i'm happy to have granderson esp. w/ the breakout year he had in no longer (hopefully" being as much of a liabilty when facing lefties... but i'd rather have kept the home grown NYY pitching in Coke and kennedy, kept cheap the cheap contract of lefthanded Gardner in Center/platoon him w/ righthanded low cost Austin Jackson, and then I would have went for Carl Crawford to do the cavernous NY left field.

                    Cashman giving up Mark melancon and 3.5 mill and another player for lance berkman for a 1-2 month rental was expensive too and i dont remember why it was felt Lance was needed specifically.... he promptly left after the season, and went back to the NL where he liked it and had a great season for St. Louis.

                    Cashman also went for Javier Vasquez from Atlanta what a waste move that was, the pitcher became a project for Girardi to coddle and talk nice to the media about start after start for 2/3rds the season, this guy was so fragile mentally, he was a burden for the pitching staff to absorb his blowout outtings uh.

                    the positive moves Cash did that I could think of was close the deal for CC and Tex. and not give up joba/hughes for Santana, who went for less Merchandise to the Mets.
                    Last edited by abcabc; 01-17-2012, 10:12 PM.

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                    • 12
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 4458

                      #1210
                      Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                      Originally posted by bkrich83
                      Given their recent performance that's nor a great argument.
                      It's not on the surface, but the truth is the Mariners' farm system has been bolstered a great deal over the past three years. We went from having one of the worst systems to a potential top 10 farm system this year. That's not too bad.

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                      • BatsareBugs
                        LVP
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 12553

                        #1211
                        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                        As long as that farm system translates into quality major leaguers for the Mariners, having a top 10 farm system means nothing if most of them flame out like the early 2000's Padres.

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                        • Melanconfan
                          Rookie
                          • May 2008
                          • 242

                          #1212
                          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                          Originally posted by abcabc
                          the credit for what Granderson ended up becoming 'career year/ mvp candidiate' was due him accepting help from Kevin Long the hitting coach while having a pedestrian first season w NY... meaning, he didnt bring those 2011 numbers on his belt leading into spring training of 2010, heck no...he was a liability against lefties for the most part of his career coming into NY.
                          Since Cashman is the whole reason for this discussion, isn't it possible he was confident Long would eventually help him figure out lefties and that was a motivating factor to make the trade?

                          As for Aceves my points were he was healthy in 2010, costs $650k, and can be a starter while Cashman had to pick up Freddy Garcia and Colon off the scrap heap and NYY didnt know what they were getting out of either vs. we knew what Aceves could give. For whatever reason Cashman/medical staff felt Aceve's back was done. Bos didnt feel that way... he had a solid season i think 10-4 and good era. He was a starter for Mexico just that he wasnt used that way too much so far in mlb. sounds like this will change in 2012.
                          Aceves hasn't been given a chance to start regularly because he doesn't have the stuff to get through a major league line-up more than once. When he has been given a chance to start he he hasn't been that good putting up a 1.39 WHIP and 1.09 K/BB. The long man role he would have been in was adequately filled be Noesi.

                          the issue with coke was, nyy finally had a dependable lefty out of the pen, was home grown, and gave it up. when logan came he was a good find for 2010 but if i recall, the first half of 2011 had no resemblance to his success in 2010. the largest issue was he was the sole lefty in the NYY pen and they really needed 2 lefties, as they've need for years. but i wouldn't have let coke be the deal breaker if that's what detriot really really wanted, i dunno/dont remember.... do remember detriot wanted to convert coke to a starter, which i think coke was while in the NYY farm system.
                          Logan was fine last year. A bit inconsistent but that can be said of most LOOGYs. Coke not being a deal breaker is the whole point I was trying to make. He's not some great reliever worth hanging onto at all costs like Mo or Robertson. And I'm not sure what your point is about Detroit trying Coke as a starter since he was bad at it.

                          i'm happy to have granderson esp. w/ the breakout year he had in no longer (hopefully" being as much of a liabilty when facing lefties... but i'd rather have kept the home grown NYY pitching in Coke and kennedy, kept cheap the cheap contract of lefthanded Gardner in Center/platoon him w/ righthanded low cost Austin Jackson, and then I would have went for Carl Crawford to do the cavernous NY left field.
                          It's easy to say that about Kennedy with hindsight, but he had worn out his welcome and probably wasn't going to get another real chance in NY. Keeping Jackson, who's issues are significantly worse than those of Granderson, on the premise that he's cheap only to add another albatross contract makes no sense to me.

                          the positive moves Cash did that I could think of was close the deal for CC and Tex. and not give up joba/hughes for Santana, who went for less Merchandise to the Mets.
                          You're not thinking too hard then. I immediately thought of the trade for Abreu and Lidle, the Swisher trade, and the Wood trade. EDIT: And also Colon and Garcia last year. Forgot them.
                          Last edited by Melanconfan; 01-18-2012, 05:08 PM.

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                          • bkrich83
                            Has Been
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 71582

                            #1213
                            Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                            Originally posted by Apostle
                            It's not on the surface, but the truth is the Mariners' farm system has been bolstered a great deal over the past three years. We went from having one of the worst systems to a potential top 10 farm system this year. That's not too bad.
                            95, 101 and 101 losses in the last 4 years is not getting it done. You can't sugarcoat that. They've been dreadful, and have yet to prove they can put together a competitive team. There's no way around it.
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                            • Travis40
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 1651

                              #1214
                              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread
                              Rangers sign Darvish

                              DKnobler DKnobler
                              Darvish, Rangers just finalizing contract. Deal is done.
                              Anthony Andro says it's 6/60.
                              Last edited by Travis40; 01-18-2012, 04:59 PM.

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                              • Perfect Zero
                                1B, OF
                                • Jun 2005
                                • 4012

                                #1215
                                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                                Originally posted by Travis40
                                Rangers sign Darvish

                                Anthony Andro says it's 6/60.
                                With the posting fee included, it's about $18m per year. Not shabby.
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