Braun tests positive for PEDs.

[bkrich83]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Seriously, how are fans buying this?

He's basically saying that MLB was out to get their MVP. And or some random Fed Ex employee somehow guessed right and knew it was Ryan's day to take a drug test and tampered with the sample.

It really doesn't matter though. If people want stringent testing it goes both ways. If the sample was mishandled and procedure was not followed, the results of the test come in to question and the point is moot. As soon as the results are questonable due to evidence handling, all bets are off.

[ryan36]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Really FedEx will ship piss? I learn something new everyday.

[ImTellinTim]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

True, it's not a court of law, but how do you explain they were debating if it was actually Braun's urine and Braun offered his own DNA to prove it wasn't his.

MLB declined the DNA.

I don't know what happened, either, and maybe we will know at some point and maybe we won't.

Hell if I know. I'm just ecstatic that I got to use "micropipet" in an argument on OS. Which is spelled completely wrong. Micropipette is what I meant.

[Bellsprout]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Hell if I know. I'm just ecstatic that I got to use "micropipet" in an argument on OS.

If I was "quote in your signature" guy, I would use that.

[bkrich83]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

So basically drug testing is unreliable, whether through the actual process or the process of delivering it to the lab.

I give up.

I will say this, the way they test because the steroid culture has advanced so quickly, is certainly not as accurate or as rock solid as some would lead you to believe. There's a lot of assumptions and guesses made from what I can understand.

But again, as soon as evidence is mishandled or procedure is not followed, it's game over, and that makes sense and is the way it should be,.

[bkrich83]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Really FedEx will ship piss? I learn something new everyday.

I think it needs to be in a sealed container though. You can't just piss in to a fed ex envelope and send it.

[Perfect Zero]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

What would a DNA test even prove? It's going to be the same urine in that bottle, and they aren't going to cross check the specific element to his DNA.

The whole thing rests on time. The seal was not broken, the sample was secure when it was brought to the lab. Major League Baseball has done it this way for many other tests in the past; Braun and his lawyers were just able to find that loophole.

[ImTellinTim]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

I think it needs to be in a sealed container though. You can't just piss in to a fed ex envelope and send it.

I'm glad you made this clear because I have a feeling Ryan was already halfway out the door to test this theory.

[roadman]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

What would a DNA test even prove? It's going to be the same urine in that bottle, and they aren't going to cross check the specific element to his DNA.

The whole thing rests on time. The seal was not broken, the sample was secure when it was brought to the lab. Major League Baseball has done it this way for many other tests in the past; Braun and his lawyers were just able to find that loophole.

So, with your first sentence there is no way Braun isn't guilty. Braun was willing to perform a DNA test that would conclude it wasn't his urine.

How does that implicate that Braun's urine was in the jar if Braun is willing to prove it isn't?

MLB declined and the ESPN legal analyst Munson concludes that is why the arbitrator ruled in Braun's favor.

[bkrich83]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

I mostly made it clear so some of our OS brethren didn't give it a shot.

[bkrich83]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

So, with your first sentence there is no way Braun isn't guilty. Braun was willing to perform a DNA test that would conclude it wasn't his urine.

How does that implicate that Braun's urine was in the jar if Braun is willing to prove it isn't?

MLB declined and the ESPN legal analyst Munson concludes that is why the arbitrator ruled in Braun's favor.

It's because Braun isn't a Ranger. Duh.

[slickdtc]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

I will say this, the way they test because the steroid culture has advanced so quickly, is certainly not as accurate or as rock solid as some would lead you to believe. There's a lot of assumptions and guesses made from what I can understand.

But again, as soon as evidence is mishandled or procedure is not followed, it's game over, and that makes sense and is the way it should be,.

Truthfully, my view on testing has been naive. But I think this case will really open the public's eyes... Braun's guilty... oh he's not... because of the procedure/process of testing? Wow.

It's going to shock some people.

I've known that testing is always a step behind the latest in steroids. And they have to get the OK by the leagues and whatnot to use the newest advancements. It's like a cops & robbers things. Robbers have no rules to work by, while the cops have to abide by certain laws and whatnot. They can go rogue, but if they do, and it's found out, it'll be thrown out and erase any of the progress they made anyway.

[slickdtc]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

I figured MLB declined the DNA test because the MLBPA would never give the green light on that.

Just like when players say, "Test me! Test me!" They know full well their union would never allow that.

[bkrich83]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

I figured MLB declined the DNA test because the MLBPA would never give the green light on that.

Just like when players say, "Test me! Test me!" They know full well their union would never allow that.

Then why turn it down? Accept it, and when the MLBPA blocks it, put the onus back on the player and the union.

[Mjphillips]

I really believe that the MLB FIXED this situation after Braun got caught. They couldn't have their MVP sitting out 50 games! He definitely deserved the award considering that he outperformed all of the other roid users.

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