MLB Off-Topic 2013

[dickey1331]

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That article just reinforced my view even further.

You have an admitted steroid user saying he'd take the supplements available legally today over taking steroids.

All steroids do is make it easier to use more protein, promotes muscle growth/recovery by allowing you to work out longer and has the effect of making it easier/more likely to convert into muscle instead of fat - plus all the negative side effects.

Steroids have been around since the 1930s - and they were legal. I highly doubt throughout history and the periods everyone who want there looks back so fondly on, even though they weren't there, there weren't players juicing. Maybe not abusing them like today, since it was legal and accepted, but juicing nonetheless.

How did that reinforce your view? Steroids would make you a better athlete. It won't make a average person great but it will make him better.

If legal supplements are better or just as good then why do we have such a problem with steroids?

If you use a ban substance then it's cheating.

[ubernoob]

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It's banned because it's a controlled substance under the US laws, not because of how it affects the game.

It became illegal to possess anabolic-androgenic steroids without a prescription in 1990. Baseball added steroids to the banned substance list in 1991.

Going allllll the way back to baseball there have been documented cases of stars either using them or trying them.

House, a former pitching coach with the Texas Rangers and co-founder of the National Pitching Association near San Diego, is one of the first players to describe steroid use as far back as the 1960s.

He was drafted in 1967 by the Braves and pitched eight seasons for Atlanta, Boston and Seattle, finishing his career with a 29-23 record and 3.79 ERA.

House, 58, estimated that six or seven pitchers per team were at least experimenting with steroids or human growth hormone. He said players talked about losing to opponents using more effective drugs.

"We didn't get beat, we got out-milligrammed," he said. "And when you found out what they were taking, you started taking them."

House said he gained almost 30 pounds while using steroids, blaming the extra weight for contributing to knee problems. He said the drugs helped improve recovery time and conditioning but did not add velocity to his fastball.

"I tried everything known to man to improve my fastball, and it still didn't go faster than 82 miles per hour," House said. "I was a failed experiment."

House said he stopped using steroids after learning about the long-term harm they could cause

Taken from: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ds-house_x.htm

[Money99]

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I hate the fact that people who take steroids get labeled a cheater.

They don't make you better at baseball. This isn't a Mr. Olympia where the best body wins.

Label them a felon, perhaps, due to the legality of it but you can take extra protein, testosterone and a boatload of supplements and not be labeled a cheater. Same damn thing.

Really? They don't make you better?
So for the first decade of his career Bonds just held back and decided to only hit 40 HR's instead of 70?
Same with Sosa? He came in as a 175lb defensive wiz, but those roids didn't help him develop into a plodding RF who could hit 60+ HR's every year?

I've never seen anyone add 60lbs to their bench in 4 weeks time by taking creatine or protein.
There are countless stories of players eclipsing personal bests after taking roids.
Case in point, Lance Armstrong. He was a middle-of-the-pack cyclist until he started using. Then he won 7 TdF races. Nope. Steroids didn't help him at all there.


To say that protein shakes and creatine have the exact same effect as steroids is incredibly ignorant

[ubernoob]

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Really? They don't make you better?
So for the first decade of his career Bonds just held back and decided to only hit 40 HR's instead of 70?

How many times did Bonds hit 50+ homeruns? I'll give a the answer. Once.

You don't think that switching from Three Rivers (which was closer to a neutral park slightly favoring pitchers) to later in his career playing at ATT park which was practically tailor made for him played ANY part in that?

Same with Sosa? He came in as a 175lb defensive wiz, but those roids didn't help him develop into a plodding RF who could hit 60+ HR's every year?

Did it make him a better player? His defense took a dive and made him a liability.

But again, he must have did it overnight just by taking steroids and praying that god would make him a better baseball player.

Also, I guess by "hitting 60+ HR every year" you mean the three years he hit over 60, and never sniffed 60 again? Let's also forget about the corked bat incident.

I've never seen anyone add 60lbs to their bench in 4 weeks time by taking creatine or protein.
There are countless stories of players eclipsing personal bests after taking roids.

Weight room numbers? Of course steroids would help. Baseball numbers? More stamina, more games, more playing time. Of course numbers would also go up.

Case in point, Lance Armstrong. He was a middle-of-the-pack cyclist until he started using. Then he won 7 TdF races. Nope. Steroids didn't help him at all there.

Imagine that. Steroids help in an activity solely based on endurance. Who woulda thunk it?

To say that protein shakes and creatine have the exact same effect as steroids is incredibly ignorant

I didn't say "protein shakes and creatine." I said with the supplements available today. By that, I mean the stacks people can by where you take 5-15+ pills a day. Completely legal.

Did I say steroids have no effect on people? No, that's ignorant. Do they change the type of player you are? If you want them to.

Do they make you 'better' than people who don't do them? Doubt it.

[Money99]

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LOL at the Bonds reference.
His HR/AB doubled after saucing.
The reason his numbers weren't higher after injecting diesel is because his tricep nearly fell off from too much muscle causing a loss in games played.

And if steroids do nothing to improve your game, then why on earth would any MLB player take steroids? Especially when they know it's illegal and can result in loss of games, money and possible HoF recognition?
If legal supplement stacks did the same thing, then why break the rules and/or law?

Anyone can make a case for taking HGH to recover from injuries or fatigue, but cases where players use roids for extended periods of time, such as Sosa, prove that steroids can make you a much better player.
From '93-'97 (when he looked somewhat human) he averaged 34 HR's per season.
From '98-'02 (as the incredible hulk) he averaged 58 HR's per year.
Nope, nothing to see here people!

[TheMatrix31]

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Oh no, not this argument again.

Hurry up, Spring Training.

[ubernoob]

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Oh no, not this argument again.

Hurry up, Spring Training.

OFF-SEASON TOPICS, BROOOOOOOO.

Actually, I just hate that players deserving get kept out of the HoF. PEDs are as old as the sports themselves, whether they are amphetamines or what have you.

[areobee401]

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I knew it was inevitable, I still don't like replay but I seem to be in the minority on it but I AM glad they listened to what the fans, players and owners seemed to want.

I'm with you in that minority.

[Blzer]

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I'm with you in that minority.

I'm partway with you all. I think they're dismissing the bigger issue: bad judgment calls will still be made by umpires, and they will only be less careful about making mistakes with a replay system to back some of their calls.