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  • kmoser
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    • Jul 2012
    • 1398

    #376
    re: MLB Off-Topic

    Originally posted by CameRoN0407
    Don't worry, you won't have the worst record this year.

    True, but would that be the case if it did happen?


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    • CameRoN0407
      It's a New England Thing
      • Oct 2012
      • 3328

      #377
      re: MLB Off-Topic

      Originally posted by kmoser
      True, but would that be the case if it did happen?


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      I take that back. But the Astros will keep that pick nmw. They will also get the standard first round pick, so they could have 2 T5 picks, and maybe even the top 2.
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      • AC
        Win the East
        • Sep 2010
        • 14951

        #378
        re: MLB Off-Topic

        Originally posted by kmoser
        It sucks. Of course you are going to get paid less if you have a potentially messed up UCL. Haven't read yet on what went wrong with the other two.
        Every medical professional outside of the team's doctors said that Aiken's UCL was fine. They were trying to get him to take less money so that they could sign Nix and Marshall.
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        • CameRoN0407
          It's a New England Thing
          • Oct 2012
          • 3328

          #379
          re: MLB Off-Topic

          Originally posted by AC
          Every medical professional outside of the team's doctors said that Aiken's UCL was fine. They were trying to get him to take less money so that they could sign Nix and Marshall.
          Didn't they conclude his UCL was undersized? I would've made Aiken #1 priority if I was Houston. Especially with Appel struggling.

          EDIT: Yea, when James Andrews says there's nothing wrong, there's nothing wrong
          Last edited by CameRoN0407; 07-18-2014, 09:03 PM.
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          • AC
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            • Sep 2010
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            #380
            re: MLB Off-Topic

            Originally posted by CameRoN0407
            Yea, when James Andrews says there's nothing wrong, there's nothing wrong
            I don't think statements get truer than this
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            • kmoser
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              • Jul 2012
              • 1398

              #381
              re: MLB Off-Topic

              Originally posted by AC
              Every medical professional outside of the team's doctors said that Aiken's UCL was fine. They were trying to get him to take less money so that they could sign Nix and Marshall.

              I hate when athletes won't take pay cuts to help out the team. Now they didn't get any of them.


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              • AC
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                • Sep 2010
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                #382
                re: MLB Off-Topic

                Originally posted by kmoser
                I hate when athletes won't take pay cuts to help out the team. Now they didn't get any of them.
                Oh yeah, curse that athlete for asking for what he's worth even when the team tries to scam him out of millions of dollars!

                Seriously?
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                • kmoser
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                  • Jul 2012
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                  #383
                  re: MLB Off-Topic

                  Originally posted by AC
                  Oh yeah, curse that athlete for asking for what he's worth even when the team tries to scam him out of millions of dollars!



                  Seriously?

                  He's a high school pitcher. High School pitchers don't usually make it, I don't care how good they seem.
                  Every other team would have been a little nervous negotiating with him after they heard about his elbow and I believe some would have done the same thing the Astros did.


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                  • CameRoN0407
                    It's a New England Thing
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 3328

                    #384
                    re: MLB Off-Topic

                    Originally posted by kmoser
                    He's a high school pitcher. High School pitchers don't usually make it, I don't care how good they seem.
                    Every other team would have been a little nervous negotiating with him after they heard about his elbow and I believe some would have done the same thing the Astros did.


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                    Halladay, Kershaw, MadBum, Cain, Hamels, Beckett, Gio Gonzalez, James Shields, Lester, etc. would disagree.

                    He's been cleared by probably the best and most well-respected orthepedic arm surgeons in sports. I think that is enough.
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                    • AC
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                      • Sep 2010
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                      #385
                      re: MLB Off-Topic

                      Originally posted by kmoser
                      He's a high school pitcher. High School pitchers don't usually make it, I don't care how good they seem.
                      Every other team would have been a little nervous negotiating with him after they heard about his elbow and I believe some would have done the same thing the Astros did.


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                      He's a high school pitcher and he was still good enough to be the #1 overall pick. Now he'll go to UCLA, an excellent baseball program that's churned out prospects like Gerrit Cole and Trevor Bauer. No other team would have caused a stink over his elbow because there's no problem with it. Andrews said it was fine. You don't need more proof than that. The Astros made a giant fuss over what they damn well knew was absolutely nothing. After years of doing such, for the first time they failed to cheat the system. I love the players in the organization but I couldn't like the FO less.
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                      • kmoser
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                        • Jul 2012
                        • 1398

                        #386
                        re: MLB Off-Topic

                        Originally posted by CameRoN0407
                        Halladay, Kershaw, MadBum, Cain, Hamels, Beckett, Gio Gonzalez, James Shields, Lester, etc. would disagree.

                        He's been cleared by probably the best and most well-respected orthepedic arm surgeons in sports. I think that is enough.
                        Originally posted by AC
                        He's a high school pitcher and he was still good enough to be the #1 overall pick. Now he'll go to UCLA, an excellent baseball program that's churned out prospects like Gerrit Cole and Trevor Bauer. No other team would have caused a stink over his elbow because there's no problem with it. Andrews said it was fine. You don't need more proof than that. The Astros made a giant fuss over what they damn well knew was absolutely nothing. After years of doing such, for the first time they failed to cheat the system. I love the players in the organization but I couldn't like the FO less.

                        They offered him around $6.2 million for their first offer and their last offer was $5 million. It's not like they were offering him crap. I did see the thing about Andrews clearing him so I am questioning the FO myself now.


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                        • AC
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                          • Sep 2010
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                          #387
                          re: MLB Off-Topic

                          Originally posted by kmoser
                          They offered him around $6.2 million for their first offer and their last offer was $5 million. It's not like they were offering him crap. I did see the thing about Andrews clearing him so I am questioning the FO myself now.


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                          I don't question that they offered him at least a near-fair amount but there's no question that they tried to get him at a discount through less than ethical means.
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                          • kmoser
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2012
                            • 1398

                            #388
                            re: MLB Off-Topic

                            Originally posted by AC
                            I don't question that they offered him at least a near-fair amount but there's no question that they tried to get him at a discount through less than ethical means.

                            I see what you are saying now. I'm kind of wondering why they didn't go after the other two guys since they couldn't get him.


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                            • AC
                              Win the East
                              • Sep 2010
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                              #389
                              re: MLB Off-Topic

                              Originally posted by kmoser
                              I see what you are saying now. I'm kind of wondering why they didn't go after the other two guys since they couldn't get him.


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                              They didn't want to sign with the Stros after that debacle. I wouldn't have wanted to either. Casey Close didn't even pick up the phone today for Aiken.
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                              • kmoser
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                                • Jul 2012
                                • 1398

                                #390
                                re: MLB Off-Topic

                                Originally posted by AC
                                They didn't want to sign with the Stros after that debacle. I wouldn't have wanted to either. Casey Close didn't even pick up the phone today for Aiken.

                                I bet that was pretty frustrating for Luhnow. It's his fault though. Even after this and the whole trade leaks ordeal, I still like him as our GM. He, and partially Wade, have done a good job building the farm system.


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