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  • Master Live 013
    Hall Of Fame
    • Oct 2013
    • 12327

    #4246
    Re: MLB Off-Topic

    Originally posted by TripleCrown9
    Not at all. The lady that got hit in Pittsburgh almost 365 days ago didn't take any legal action, and couldn't.

    From the back of her ticket, and assuming every ticket:

    "The holder assumes all risk and danger incidental to the Event, whether occurring prior to, during or subsequent to the Event, including specifically [but not exclusively], the danger of being injured by thrown bats, thrown or batted balls and objects thrown into the stands for entertainment purposes and agrees that the Pittsburgh Pirates, Major League Baseball, the Participating Clubs, their agents and players and other individuals are not liable for injuries resulting from such causes.”
    In most walks of life, whether someone is liable to you for injuries caused by alleged negligence is determined by a judgment call: was the harm foreseeable and did they act reasonably to prevent the harm from occurring? That’s a matter for a jury to decide, and the jury can take all of the specific facts of the case into account in making that determination.

    Ballpark operators, however, have typically had a safe harbor that shields them from having a jury decide whether they acted prudently. It’s called “The Baseball Rule,” and it’s a legal doctrine which underpins those little “we’re not liable for you getting injured by flying balls and bats” disclaimers on the back of your ticket.

    The way it’s usually formulated by the courts is that stadium owners and operators must provide “screened seats for as many spectators as may be reasonably expected to call for them on any ordinary occasion,” and that if they do that, they’re legally absolved of liability. Typically, providing screens behind home plate and around to each side to some degree puts owners in the safe harbor. In that case, it’s a matter of law, not fact, and the judge will usually dismiss the case before it ever gets to a jury.

    The suit, brought on behalf of all season ticket holders who sit in a "zone of danger," alleges that baseball has ignored the risks of foul balls and broken bats, placing fans in harm's way.


    The rule, already in force in other states, says if a stadium operator provides screening behind home plate — the most dangerous place in the stands — and enough seats for spectators who want to sit there, it cannot be held liable for balls and bats that enter the stands and cause injuries.



    The ball Friday night went through a gap between the netting that was about the size of 1½ baseballs behind an area designated for photographers.

    The primary home plate screen to protect fans at Tropicana Field ends at the start of the photo area. A second screen was installed this season, behind the photo area. Souza's foul ball got through a narrow opening.


    Rays DH Steven Souza Jr., whose foul ball struck the woman Friday night, has been getting updates on her condition via team officials.


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    It seems stadium operators cannot be held liable if they provide screening. I will go out on a limb and predict that if this fan has the means and the desire she will sue the stadium operator for not providing adequate screening.
    OSHA Inspector for the NBA.

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    • Master Live 013
      Hall Of Fame
      • Oct 2013
      • 12327

      #4247
      Re: MLB Off-Topic

      Originally posted by TheMatrix31
      Whoa, you mean a bad thing happened even though there was netting?
      Yes, it seems proper netting wasn't provided and somewhat got hurt. I know, whoa.
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      • CMH
        Making you famous
        • Oct 2002
        • 26203

        #4248
        Re: MLB Off-Topic

        Netting was or was not provided?
        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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        • TripleCrown9
          Keep the Faith
          • May 2010
          • 23669

          #4249
          Re: MLB Off-Topic

          Somehow the ball found the gap between the two sections of netting. Literally 9 or 10 inches wide.
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          • CMH
            Making you famous
            • Oct 2002
            • 26203

            #4250
            Re: MLB Off-Topic

            Originally posted by TripleCrown9
            Somehow the ball found the gap between the two sections of netting. Literally 9 or 10 inches wide.
            I didn't know there was a gap. The game of baseball. Where inches mean so much. And no one thought the ball would find that space.

            Baseball. Actually makes sense to me. Not even surprised.
            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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            • TripleCrown9
              Keep the Faith
              • May 2010
              • 23669

              #4251
              Re: MLB Off-Topic

              From the ESPN article:

              The ball went through a gap in the netting that was about the size of 1 1/2 baseballs. The area was covered before Saturday's game.
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              • dickey1331
                Everyday is Faceurary!
                • Sep 2009
                • 14285

                #4252
                Re: MLB Off-Topic

                Lol I wonder what the odds were of that happening.
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                • Sportsforever
                  NL MVP
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 20368

                  #4253
                  Re: MLB Off-Topic

                  Originally posted by dickey1331
                  Lol I wonder what the odds were of that happening.
                  100%......
                  "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                  • TripleCrown9
                    Keep the Faith
                    • May 2010
                    • 23669

                    #4254
                    Re: MLB Off-Topic

                    This link has the picture of the gap.

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                    • Money99
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 12695

                      #4255
                      Re: MLB Off-Topic

                      Originally posted by Speedy
                      Honest discussion:

                      Do we think that PEDs and steroids are now out of the game?

                      I feel like it truly is...I think I'm finally seeing baseball players with true abilities versus the 1990s/early 2000s with 40 year old Steve Finleys cranking 40 HRs. I'm sure there are players trying to sneak it or doing it while rehabbing but the penalty for getting caught is a happy medium and pretty severe.
                      While I don't think it's as prevelant, I do think it's still there and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the top hitters are on something.
                      Remember, A-Rod didn't get caught by MLB's drug testing. He got caught because Tony Bosch refused to pay back an investor a very small amount of money owed ($4000 if I remember correctly).
                      He then stole all those documents and MLB got their hands on them.
                      A-Rod passed several urine tests up to that point despite being a walking chemical experiment.
                      I would bet my kids lives that he's still on something.
                      He was suspended for an entire season. There's no way he spent that time away sitting on his couch.
                      He's earned over $600M in his career. Guaranteed he used his time and money to find the best chemist he could.

                      The players have gotten much smarter about what kinds they take.
                      Conceco and Bonds took junk that made them look like body builders.
                      A-Rod took stuff that increased strength without the bulking - which allowed him to fly under the radar since he was a teenager.

                      And I think it's those kinds of PEDs that most are on now. The kind that provide strength as well as vitality so they don't succumb to fatigue and injuries when the Dog Days of Summer come calling.

                      Until MLB starts doing random blood tests, or forces the players to be part of VEDA, I'd say there's always going to be some form of PED use in the league.
                      I just hope guys like Stanton, Trout and Harper aren't among them.
                      Last edited by Money99; 04-18-2016, 08:46 AM.

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                      • Mabster
                        Crunchy
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 7659

                        #4256
                        Re: MLB Off-Topic

                        HRD on an aircraft carrier? I'd watch that for sure.



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                        • Master Live 013
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 12327

                          #4257
                          Re: MLB Off-Topic

                          Another day, another group taking issue with Turner Field's conditions.
                          The newest complaint comes from an unlikely group -- the Braves themselves. Really. Here's what Doug Padilla reported on Thursday:

                          Unhappy over the conditions of the Turner Field infield, Atlanta Braves players are considering contacting the players' union to see if they can pressure their own club to make improvements, a source within the organization told ESPN on Thursday.

                          Padilla notes that this comes just a year before the Braves' new stadium, SunTrust Park, is set to open. As such, there's going to be speculation about whether the Braves are trying to cut corners until they can move into their new digs. Of course, some have already made that argument -- this just shifts the focus from the substandard product on the field to, well, the substandard field.
                          Embarrassing.
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                          • DieHardYankee26
                            BING BONG
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 10178

                            #4258
                            Re: MLB Off-Topic

                            So finished reading Game of Shadows this morning, man it really ****ed me up lol. I know we had the steroid talk not long ago, but it was just saddening the level to which guys were going to cheat.



                            And that it was happening at the Olympic level just kills any meaning that they had to me (very little in the first place, always thought it a strange competition). It just seems obvious that guys are using and always will be, especially the money in the game today, it'd be chump change for a great player to get their hands on stuff.



                            The biggest thing is it changed my opinion on PED's, I never cared before and I do now. This **** just can't happen. To think that for 100+ years the most home runs a human could hit in a season was maxed at around 60, then it got shattered the way it did. As a game that is heavily reliant on numbers, the stats put up during the "Steroid Era" were just absurd.



                            And the other opinion change is that no one will convince me that Pedro isn't the best pitcher ever. Him and Maddux gain a ton of points from me (assuming they're clean which is a dumb assumption in the first place). But the numbers they put up against dudes with needles falling out of their batting helmets are absolutely incrduble. And that's why I love baseball, because you can cheat and bulk up and inject yourself with a chemistry cocktail but when the 5'10" 160 pound Dominican is on the mound, it's just you and him.
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                            • Money99
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 12695

                              #4259
                              Re: MLB Off-Topic

                              Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                              So finished reading Game of Shadows this morning, man it really ****ed me up lol. I know we had the steroid talk not long ago, but it was just saddening the level to which guys were going to cheat.



                              And that it was happening at the Olympic level just kills any meaning that they had to me (very little in the first place, always thought it a strange competition). It just seems obvious that guys are using and always will be, especially the money in the game today, it'd be chump change for a great player to get their hands on stuff.



                              The biggest thing is it changed my opinion on PED's, I never cared before and I do now. This **** just can't happen. To think that for 100+ years the most home runs a human could hit in a season was maxed at around 60, then it got shattered the way it did. As a game that is heavily reliant on numbers, the stats put up during the "Steroid Era" were just absurd.



                              And the other opinion change is that no one will convince me that Pedro isn't the best pitcher ever. Him and Maddux gain a ton of points from me (assuming they're clean which is a dumb assumption in the first place). But the numbers they put up against dudes with needles falling out of their batting helmets are absolutely incrduble. And that's why I love baseball, because you can cheat and bulk up and inject yourself with a chemistry cocktail but when the 5'10" 160 pound Dominican is on the mound, it's just you and him.
                              That book changed me as well.
                              I was against PEDs before, but after reading that book, I began to loathe anyone associated with it.
                              It's why I despise A-Rod and think he should have all his numbers wiped clean.
                              Until he subjects himself to random blood tests, I'll continue believing he's still on the sauce.

                              If you get a chance, read "Blood Sport: A-Rod and the Quest to End Baseball's Steroid Era":
                              http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Sport-A-.../dp/B00HZ1EE40

                              Another great book focusing mostly on A-Rod, but the relationship between PEDs and MLB as a whole.
                              If you didn't like A-Rod before, you'll hate his guts afterward (especially the part where he pays for supporters to wave signs and cheer for him when he enters and leaves the MLB offices while he was fighting his suspension).

                              The Game is also a tremendous book following Bud Selig's tenure.
                              They get into the PED issues as well. Very interesting stuff.

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                              • Speedy
                                #Ace
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 16143

                                #4260
                                Re: MLB Off-Topic

                                Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                                And the other opinion change is that no one will convince me that Pedro isn't the best pitcher ever. Him and Maddux gain a ton of points from me (assuming they're clean which is a dumb assumption in the first place). But the numbers they put up against dudes with needles falling out of their batting helmets are absolutely incrduble. And that's why I love baseball, because you can cheat and bulk up and inject yourself with a chemistry cocktail but when the 5'10" 160 pound Dominican is on the mound, it's just you and him.
                                Yeah, Pedro was offered steroids while in the LAD system but refused, reportedly. The guy was incredible with his movement and such but listening to him on MLBN and repeatedly make HR look like a fool...the guy is legend.

                                His numbers in 1999, with an infalted .326 BABIP, is perhaps the best season in the modern area. 1.39 FIP! I love Maddux and my favorite player of all time, Smoltzie, but nobody touches prime Pedro.
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                                It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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