MLB Off-Topic

[DamnYanks2]

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I always found the numbers are sacred thing to be stupid though. How can you compare Babe Ruth's era to Barry Bond's era?

The fences were so much farther back, No expansion, Latinos and black players, were non existent. Different baseballs.

It's impossible to call Hank Aaron or Barry Bonds the HR champion isn't it?

I'm so on the fence about steroids, because we know some players that took them never took off, and obviously me or you couldn't just take them and become major leaguers.

My belief with steroids is, it never made the players that better, it just game them unlimited energy, and a boost during a long grind it out season.

You'll see guys come flying out the gates smacking home runs, hitting for a high average, only for it to taper off during the long stretch of a season.

But with steroids it kept a player rejuvenated, and relentless through a whole season, the adrenaline kept pumping basically. Shouldn't we look at that as a scientific breakthrough, I don't know, it's really Morna black and white matter, it's just hard to speculate on.



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[DamnYanks2]

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Deployed the ignorance plea on an old school East German oral steroid.

I always found the numbers are sacred thing to be stupid though. How can you compare Babe Ruth's era to Barry Bond's era?

The fences were so much farther back, No expansion, Latinos and black players, were non existent. Different baseballs.

It's impossible to call Hank Aaron or Barry Bonds the HR champion isn't it?

I'm so on the fence about steroids, because we know some players that took them never took off, and obviously me or you couldn't just take them and become major leaguers.

My belief with steroids is, it never made the players that better, it just game them unlimited energy, and a boost during a long grind it out season.

You'll see guys come flying out the gates smacking home runs, hitting for a high average, only for it to taper off during the long stretch of a season.

But with steroids it kept a player rejuvenated, and relentless through a whole season, the adrenaline kept pumping basically. Shouldn't we look at that as a scientific breakthrough, I don't know, it's really not a black and white matter, it's just hard to speculate on.



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[CMH]

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Im at the point where I no longer want to judge athletes personality on the little snippets we get from them from the media. A lot of things have made me feel this way, but mostly because it leads to general opinions of guys and no one can explain it.



"Bryce Harper is a douchebag"



"Why?"



"Because he looks like one" "Because he's arrogant"



What do these things mean? I use Bryce because he's a popular target now, people say he's arrogant but what has he done wrong? I asked someone on another site yesterday and all they could say is "he gives off an air of cockiness". What? You don't like a guy because he kind of seems like he's cocky? They used the example of bat flippers, but Bryce doesn't do that. I dunno, it seems like people just don't want to like people lol. I'll stick to the on the field stuff generally. Personality judgments on people I've never met are pointless.



Jeter to me just seemed smart. Why open your mouth in a town of reporters that are going to jump down your throat at the first hint of any mistake you make? If you know the game, play it. Especially when hes out and about and living his life the way he was, why bring a spotlight on you bigger than the one already on you for being the captain shortstop of a Yankee dynasty?

I agree 100% about confusing when fans hate a player just to hate a player. It's always interesting who people pick to hate because most didn't actually do anything but be confident performers.

But while I don't care if Jeter was secretly a scumbag or just the most honest man in America, I don't know what Alex Rodriguez did to draw the ire of writers.

Yes, now, it's obvious. But I'm talking about 15 years ago. He didn't do anything but get paid. He was a positive role model, loved the game and played incredibly well. But he and Jeter got different treatments despite behaving just as similarly.

[DamnYanks2]

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The media will build these guys up so high, and then join in on a witch-hunt to watch these guys burn. There's alot of scumbags in the media.

Either at the players feet or at their throat.

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[Sportsforever]

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I've always wished there was a media to cover the media...these guys think way too much of themselves, almost always have an agenda, and will the first to turn on a player if they think it will make a name for themselves when in fact they are often just as much a scumbag.

[SPTO]

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I've always wished there was a media to cover the media...these guys think way too much of themselves, almost always have an agenda, and will the first to turn on a player if they think it will make a name for themselves when in fact they are often just as much a scumbag.

I like this idea, something like awfulannouncing but focusing on the entire media. I know that with the mainstream news media there are a couple sites that act as watchdogs.

[AC]

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I've always wished there was a media to cover the media...these guys think way too much of themselves, almost always have an agenda, and will the first to turn on a player if they think it will make a name for themselves when in fact they are often just as much a scumbag.

Fire Joe Morgan!

[Sportsforever]

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Fire Joe Morgan!

That is kind of what I'm talking about...but basically more accountability for these guys. They get away with murder.

[l3ulvl]

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I've always wished there was a media to cover the media...these guys think way too much of themselves, almost always have an agenda, and will the first to turn on a player if they think it will make a name for themselves when in fact they are often just as much a scumbag.

Now that's an idea I never thought of, wouldn't it be crazy if the players covered by the media decide to get together and cover the media themselves?

Eye for an eye

[DieHardYankee26]

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I agree 100% about confusing when fans hate a player just to hate a player. It's always interesting who people pick to hate because most didn't actually do anything but be confident performers.

But while I don't care if Jeter was secretly a scumbag or just the most honest man in America, I don't know what Alex Rodriguez did to draw the ire of writers.

Yes, now, it's obvious. But I'm talking about 15 years ago. He didn't do anything but get paid. He was a positive role model, loved the game and played incredibly well. But he and Jeter got different treatments despite behaving just as similarly.

I agree. There's a really bizarre cloud that followed A-Rod once he went to Texas and for some reason any protection he had from the establishment was gone. It is really interesting, it had everything to do with the contract. I don't know if there was a steroid undertone back then (certainly wasn't that I remember) but he's been under the microscope in a very strange way ever since he left Seattle. Very LeBron like if im being honest, maybe his talent and age just put him in a different space, then when he left for "money" (because only athletes would leave a job for that LOL) people just turned on him. Very interesting tale especially like you said with the Jeter parallel.

[CMH]

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I agree. There's a really bizarre cloud that followed A-Rod once he went to Texas and for some reason any protection he had from the establishment was gone. It is really interesting, it had everything to do with the contract. I don't know if there was a steroid undertone back then (certainly wasn't that I remember) but he's been under the microscope in a very strange way ever since he left Seattle. Very LeBron like if im being honest, maybe his talent and age just put him in a different space, then when he left for "money" (because only athletes would leave a job for that LOL) people just turned on him. Very interesting tale especially like you said with the Jeter parallel.

LeBron is a good comparison. I'm curious to see what happens to Steph Curry if he continues this dominance and wins a second ring.

The hate for Curry seems much lower than the one for LeBron when he first came into the league. Maybe for LeBron it was not being able to win a title despite the expectations whereas Curry is mostly a surprise to casual fans.

Guess that's where it starts for Jeter. He walked in with rings on his finger and Alex came off as the guy more interested in money because he played for a team that didn't win a championship. I don't know. Just interesting. Anyway enough about this.

[DamnYanks2]

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Never made much sense to me when it came to the hate Rangers fans had for Arod. In 3 years in Texas he played in every game but one!. Not to mention having some of his best years ever in that uniform.

If he came in there and mailed it in for that contract, thats one thing. But that obviously wasn't the case.

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[DamnYanks2]

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The thing that bothers most people the most is they wanted to believe these guys did it naturally, that when Bonds broke the single season record it was hard work, and natural human ability.

But where do you draw the line? Nobody just comes out there naturally. Most guys have crazy workout regimens, and supplement intake.

Manny Ramirez often lamented as lazy and uninterested had a legendary work ethic, taken hundreds of swings and arriving earlier then anyone for bp.

And obviously you can't just shoot up and get ripped, you have to work out constantly. Shouldn't that be a scientific marvel?

I just find steroids fascinating. And like somebody else said on here, everyone within brain knows half the NFL is on it, but nobody cares.

It's really the ultimate double standard. It's amazing to me.



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[dickey1331]

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Here's an older story about Arod and why Yankee fans hate him

http://espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=arod

[dickey1331]

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Never made much sense to me when it came to the hate Rangers fans had for Arod. In 3 years in Texas he played in every game but one!. Not to mention having some of his best years ever in that uniform.

If he came in there and mailed it in for that contract, thats one thing. But that obviously wasn't the case.

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I liked Arod when he was with Texas but he went to the Yankees and Rangers fans really don't like the Yankees. Plus I'm sure the hatred for the owners at the time didn't help.