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[NYJets]

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Thinking about who should play who in the movie.

Pretty frustrating for Yankee fans. Especially 2017 when the home team won every game of that alcs

[jeebs9]

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Yes they do. All the time actually, hitters are taught to read the defense.

The infielders will occasionally be the ones to tip the pitch by leaning one way or the other.


There is a TON of smoke here but glancing elsewhere before the delivery (by itself) isn't enough.one of them.

(And I'm not even suggesting nothing happened since it's pretty obvious shenanigans were going on. I do think people are reaching with some things at this point)

I know the look that your talking about. But it's not that quick. That's not even a look that's a extremely quick glance lol. And that's all you need to know if it's fast or off speed.

I totally understand there is a lot of smoke here. But the 2017 footage doesn't lie. Because it's was in early stages. It's not one or two games. They keep find it in so many minute maid games. And it consistent. You think the bangs are hot smoke?

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[kehlis]

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I know the look that your talking about. But it's not that quick. That's not even a look that's a extremely quick glance lol. And that's all you need to know if it's fast or off speed.

I totally understand there is a lot of smoke here. But the 2017 footage doesn't lie. Because it's was in early stages. It's not one or two games. They keep find it in so many minute maid games. And it consistent. You think the bangs are hot smoke?

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You misunderstood what I mean by smoke. Where there is smoke, there is a fire. I know funny business was going on and haven't disputed that. I was the one that first posted the story here lol.


And yes, the look is that quick. I did it many times through my career and it was never to get signs that were being shared to me.


All I'm saying is that besides all of the other damning evidence, quick glances isn't one of them. You need quick glances plus something else (which do exist). But the video of Springers glance in and off itself isn't one of them.

[jeebs9]

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You misunderstood what I mean by smoke. Where there is smoke, there is a fire. I know funny business was going on and haven't disputed that. I was the one that first posted the story here lol.





And yes, the look is that quick. I did it many times through my career and it was never to get signs that were being shared to me.





All I'm saying is that besides all of the other damning evidence, quick glances isn't one of them. You need quick glances plus something else (which do exist). But the video of Springers glance in and off itself isn't one of them.

Sorry for misunderstanding the smoke reference.

I agree that there are a lot of holes in glances as evidence.

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[ShowTyme15]

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Brewers new digs

[PhilliesFan13]

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Brewers new digs

Very nice.

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[Majingir]

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Brewers new digs

About time they finally went back to this look. Been teasing it for over a decade and finally they go back to that look for their primary.

2nd best look in all of baseball to me.

[ShowTyme15]

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About time they finally went back to this look. Been teasing it for over a decade and finally they go back to that look for their primary.

2nd best look in all of baseball to me.

Definitely like the look. I know people were worried about Nike taking over, but so far between the Brewers, Dbacks, and Nationals they have done a real good job with the looks and thinking outside of the box (Milwaukee's alternate and the Dbacks Los Dbacks).

Have a feeling every team will have a minimum of 4 uniforms. I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees, Dodgers, and Tigers have alternate uniforms this year.

[Majingir]

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Definitely like the look. I know people were worried about Nike taking over, but so far between the Brewers, Dbacks, and Nationals they have done a real good job with the looks and thinking outside of the box (Milwaukee's alternate and the Dbacks Los Dbacks).



Have a feeling every team will have a minimum of 4 uniforms. I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees, Dodgers, and Tigers have alternate uniforms this year.

If Jays get a 4th jersey, I'm sure everyone will be hoping for those old baby blues.

[TripleCrown9]

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Definitely like the look. I know people were worried about Nike taking over, but so far between the Brewers, Dbacks, and Nationals they have done a real good job with the looks and thinking outside of the box (Milwaukee's alternate and the Dbacks Los Dbacks).

Have a feeling every team will have a minimum of 4 uniforms. I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees, Dodgers, and Tigers have alternate uniforms this year.

And the Padres.

[ShowTyme15]

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And the Padres.

Yes, I totally forgot about them. Good catch.

[The Kid 24]

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Can't wait to see all these unis and those to come yet in The Show 20!

[itsmb8]

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Am I about to spend $400+ on a new Brewers home jersey and cap? Probably. Will family call me stupid for it? Definitely. Will I care? NAHHHHHHH.

[Blzer]

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In commenting on the Astros situation, although some people are going overboard with stating WS titles should be stripped, what has been discovered here is unimaginably egregious.

I thought about two different perspectives today: if this was the Giants who did this (my #1 and local team), and if I was a pitcher in the MLB.

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From the Giants perspective, honestly (and this is really bad), if I knew it was going down when watching them, I would possibly disown my loyalty with the team during that time. Any of my support of their offensive contributions, specifically at home, I would find is by virtue of unjustifiable foreknowledge. "No wonder that player isn't chasing the slider anymore," or "He hit that like he knew it was comin'!" Absolutely none of it is earned. Players who I salivate over to others on social media, on the radio, on message boards, in actual conversations, etc. feel absolutely moot. To make matters worse for the Giants specifically, they hired former Astros' hitting coach Alonzo Powell, who either would have carried this over to this team or didn't and was hired under false pretenses. No matter what, they lose out there.

Am I overexaggerating? To be honest, the only thing that gets me to sleep at night with that is knowing that they can't do it on the road. I only feel slightly better that they don't know the exact location, but as a former player, give me the pitch type over location any day and I can take care of the rest. Pitchers miss locations at times anyway, but they cross themselves up with the catcher on a single-sign pitch 0.00001% of the time. But this is questioning my loyalty with the entire organization's morals and ethics, and this is next-level bad thinking if the Giants were doing this, especially if it came on the heels of three championships in this decade. I am not okay with the level that the Astros went here at all.

The hypocrisy of this post may come from everybody here knowing that my favorite all-time baseball player is Barry Bonds, who knowingly or otherwise took steroids. Well, here is where the pitcher's perspective comes in. If you gave me the choice of facing one of two player types 1-9: all roided up vs. knowing which pitch type I was throwing... goodness, give me the roided batters 100% of the time. It's not even close to a discussion for me. I have a much, much higher probability of success pitching against hitters where they have no knowledge of what I am giving them (say by OPS comparison), no matter how jacked they could capably get. So for Bonds himself, who had the sense and acuity to probably know what a pitcher was throwing by virtue of sequences, spins, and all that anyway (and I'll give credit to any player who can do that, or give signs to their hitter from second base), was enhanced with what his output was, and to that I say that I don't condone his actions but just do not see it to be the bigger issue here.

So, what kind of punishments come into play? I'm not smart enough to have a good answer, but it's gotta be more than the steroid punishment here (which, remember, is 50 games per individual player for a first offense). These are for players who could have "been taking them unknowingly." You can't unknowingly be given signs from a whistle or trash can bang. Hell, you can't even selectively tune it out. You simply don't have a choice (unless you request it).

What's sad is that if I were a player hitter though, while I couldn't ever see myself taking steroids, if I was on the Astros in this situation, I couldn't say that I would ever deny wanting to receive that kind of information. It's just that good. The ends justify the means, because it is not punitively damaging for me on a personal level. Unless the MLB finds some way to smite individual players for this instead of the team as a whole, me dismissing that information only hurts me by not knowing what happened, and even if I could prove to anybody in the MLB that I dismissed it, I am still guilty by association and the team is still every bit as punished. The only thing I could do is be a Mike Fiers, only within the team itself. I don't know if I could muster up the courage to do that.

So anyway, I'm not blaming an Alex Bregman or a Yuli Gurriel for any of this, but this is a major blow on this team in my books. If I know they can't do this in the future, I won't think of them for what they did in the past and say "Astros? More like the ***-stros," or something silly like that. Faith restored that they can't do this kind of thing again. They should be severely punished though to be made an example of in this scenario. Hefty fine, draft picks, free agency... whatever they are. They can't be allowed to think they can employ internal systems like this again and get away with it.

I hope the MLB takes their sweet, sweet time with this investigation.

[kehlis]

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Am I about to spend $400+ on a new Brewers home jersey and cap? Probably. Will family call me stupid for it? Definitely. Will I care? NAHHHHHHH.

If you're spending that much for a jersey and hat you are probably doing it wrong.