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  • ShowTyme15
    LADetermined
    • Jan 2004
    • 11853

    #14296
    Re: MLB Off-Topic

    Originally posted by The Kid 24
    Wow, damn I would be surprised if they go there... That would be nuts.


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    It's just a rumor. I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet. Would definitely classify as the "harshest punishment in sports history" though.

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    • Jr.
      Playgirl Coverboy
      • Feb 2003
      • 19171

      #14297
      Re: MLB Off-Topic

      Originally posted by ShowTyme15
      It's just a rumor. I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet. Would definitely classify as the "harshest punishment in sports history" though.
      Plenty of teams have been stripped of titles in sports history. I don't see how this would be harsher than any of those by itself.
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      • Caulfield
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2011
        • 10986

        #14298
        Re: MLB Off-Topic

        the punishment for Houston will be a harsh one but it wont be the harsher than SMU's death penalty and it won't result in 8 men out. maybe 1 or 2 or 3.
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        • Master Live 013
          Hall Of Fame
          • Oct 2013
          • 12327

          #14299
          Re: MLB Off-Topic

          Can't think of any team in the big 4 North American sports to ever be stripped of their title. It truly would be unprecedented.
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          • Master Live 013
            Hall Of Fame
            • Oct 2013
            • 12327

            #14300
            Re: MLB Off-Topic

            But I really doubt it would happen. Lets see if someone gets Shoeless'ed.
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            • Caulfield
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 10986

              #14301
              Re: MLB Off-Topic

              this would surpass the stripping of USC's 2004 college football championship if the Astros were stripped. is it time to go back and review the 1951 Shot Heard 'Round the World and the Giants pennant?
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              • Sportsforever
                NL MVP
                • Mar 2005
                • 20368

                #14302
                Re: MLB Off-Topic

                I really hope they don't strip any titles; would be a horrible precedent, IMO.

                If teams are caught cheating, you hammer them and hamper their ability to compete going forward, but you don't alter the past. It opens up a whole can of worms; are the Dodgers now the 2017 World Champs? Does any Dodger fan want to win a title that way? What about the Yankees? Who's to say they wouldn't have won the whole thing?

                No, you can't do that...you suspend people, you take draft picks, money, etc, but you do not go back and change outcomes.
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                • slickdtc
                  Grayscale
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 17125

                  #14303
                  Re: MLB Off-Topic

                  Couldn’t agree more with the above. Even if you take away the Astros title, it doesn’t mean anyone else won it. So it’s hollow.

                  It is a strong statement but I follow the thinking you punish for the future, not revise the past. It happened, it can’t be changed even if you do so on the record. We know what happened no matter what it says.

                  I’m glad the word is the punishment will be harsh because the behavior was completely unacceptable and erodes at the integrity of the game. Can’t have that.
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                  • ShowTyme15
                    LADetermined
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 11853

                    #14304
                    Re: MLB Off-Topic

                    Originally posted by Sportsforever
                    I really hope they don't strip any titles; would be a horrible precedent, IMO.

                    If teams are caught cheating, you hammer them and hamper their ability to compete going forward, but you don't alter the past. It opens up a whole can of worms; are the Dodgers now the 2017 World Champs? Does any Dodger fan want to win a title that way? What about the Yankees? Who's to say they wouldn't have won the whole thing?

                    No, you can't do that...you suspend people, you take draft picks, money, etc, but you do not go back and change outcomes.
                    No, the title is just wiped from the record books. Would be a blank spot or asterisk for 2017. Then Houston will have to take down their WS banners.
                    Last edited by ShowTyme15; 01-11-2020, 01:51 PM.

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                    • Sportsforever
                      NL MVP
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 20368

                      #14305
                      Re: MLB Off-Topic

                      Originally posted by ShowTyme15
                      No, the title is just wiped from the record books. Would be a blank spot or asterisk for 2017. Then Houston will have to take down their WS banners.
                      Even doing that doesn't change things - someone already mentioned the 2004 USC Trojans. In my mind, they are still the champs...I saw it happen/remember that. I didn't even remember it had been stripped, to be honest. I would rather see the 2017 Astros name in the book as champs than a blank with an asterisk.
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                      • Majingir
                        Moderator
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 47444

                        #14306
                        Re: MLB Off-Topic

                        I doubt they'll lose their title.

                        I could see something else like them losing their IFA money for a season and all their draft picks for a year too.

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                        • dubcity
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • May 2012
                          • 17872

                          #14307
                          Re: MLB Off-Topic

                          Originally posted by Sportsforever
                          Even doing that doesn't change things - someone already mentioned the 2004 USC Trojans. In my mind, they are still the champs...I saw it happen/remember that. I didn't even remember it had been stripped, to be honest. I would rather see the 2017 Astros name in the book as champs than a blank with an asterisk.
                          Well, people would remember this. People could say they won the World Series, but it would not be true anymore. It would be some next level stigma.
                          Last edited by dubcity; 01-11-2020, 10:51 PM.

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                          • ShowTyme15
                            LADetermined
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 11853

                            #14308
                            Re: MLB Off-Topic

                            Originally posted by Sportsforever
                            Even doing that doesn't change things - someone already mentioned the 2004 USC Trojans. In my mind, they are still the champs...I saw it happen/remember that. I didn't even remember it had been stripped, to be honest. I would rather see the 2017 Astros name in the book as champs than a blank with an asterisk.
                            No one said they wouldn't remember. It's just getting wiped from the books. The league itself wouldn't recognize the win.

                            Either way man it's just a rumor at this point. Doesn't mean it will actually happen.

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                            • Jr.
                              Playgirl Coverboy
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 19171

                              #14309
                              Re: MLB Off-Topic

                              Originally posted by dubcity
                              Well, people would remember this. People could say they won the World Series, but it would not be true anymore. It would be some next level stigma.
                              But it would still be true. Just because there isn't a record of it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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                              • DieHardYankee26
                                BING BONG
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 10178

                                #14310
                                MLB Off-Topic

                                The record is all that matters. They can say they won the WS all they want, if the books don’t agree, if there’s no banner, if when you go to see who hasn’t won a championship and they’re on that list, who cares what they say? Let them be delusional. Everyone I know remembers USC being stripped.
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